vintagevibe

Brando

J4R10

All I wanted to say is that I think X2 is not necessary must-have upgrade. I think they should have released it as a free update for X1d users - without all those LE's and name it X1.5

Well - it's certainly your prerogative not to buy an update. I personally find X2 to have been great value, and a very solid release and I am very happy with X2a. 
So this is really just another - it should have been free - thread. I want it - but I don't want to pay for it.

X2 is a great value and there some nice touches but there are still a lot of bugs.  I'm looking at Cubase 7 simply because I need a different tool set that Sonar doesn't provide.

Knock yourself out and buy whatever you like. Best of luck with it too. I was replying to a direct quote from the OP who after saying he was jumping to Cubase, said the above.
I have always believed a user can and should use whatever DAW they want to use, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.
The OP has his opinions about X1 and X2, and Cubase which he/she is certainly entitled to (as are you). I only jumped into this thread with the intention to respond to the single line comment made by the OP which was a question about the perceived value of X2 - which I felt compelled to say, is great value here and well worth the price I paid.
Peace. 

Brando

J4R10

All I wanted to say is that I think X2 is not necessary must-have upgrade. I think they should have released it as a free update for X1d users - without all those LE's and name it X1.5

Well - it's certainly your prerogative not to buy an update. I personally find X2 to have been great value, and a very solid release and I am very happy with X2a. 
So this is really just another - it should have been free - thread. I want it - but I don't want to pay for it.

Yes, I don't want to pay for that improved Smart Tools or the touch screen option. I've actually paid some serious bucks to get plugins I want, but this is different. I don't want to pay any extra for those third party plugins I don't need. If I want to try (or buy) some third party plugins (been there, done that), I google some reviews, download the trial and purchase it if I find it useful. Simple as that.
 
The point is that I do not want to pay $100 for getting that improved Smart Tool or that touch screen option. That's the point. Other point is Cakewalks current marketing tactic to promote third party plugins and software as part of their DAW. My opinion, again.

I think it's good for Cakewalk - or any company - to get some feedback even it's not always the most pleasant one. And I still like X1, but I'm going to skip X2 for the reasons I've told.
 
 
Rauhaa :)
(peace)
 
P.S. I've read that there are actually some audio software companies that are intentionally releasing buggy software and then make customers pay to get a fixed version (aka "upgrade"). Kind of a light bulb conspiracy in a digital world, IMO. I have no personal experiences about that, but let's be careful out there. :)

Conspiracy theorists unite!
In the old hardware days I wouldn't have considered a hardware limitation (lack of polyphony in a monophonic synth, or lack of a routing option on a mixer) to be a "bug". But something that has crept into the conversation in the DAW world - is the notion of "bugs" - which sometimes are a lack of features, an inefficient workflow (in the viewpoint of the user) or (sometimes) an unfamiliarity on the part of the user with the correct method (as intended by the programmers/designers) - in addition to real "bugs" and deficiencies.

I can't imagine any DAW producer deliberately programming in "bugs" to propagate business. I think sometimes "features" aren't as well received as the designers intended, and sometimes they don't work as well as intended in the real world. Sometimes more bugs creep into the process especially when a lot of changes are attempted.

Bugs may be there but I haven't found any real show stoppers in X2. In fact X2 has performed consistently better here than X1 did.


Rauhaa
 

Glyn Barnes


Well Cubase 7 contains LE software - except they call call it SE

HALion Sonic SE

HALion Sonic SE is a streamlined version of HALion Sonic, Steinberg’s premier VST workstation

They also use third parties, Voxengo for one (That's not a bad thing IMHO)


I can see where you are coming from but don't full understand you logic.

In the past I've been one of the biggest critics of X1 and X2.  I never installed X1 on my DAW because it proved to be so unusually unstable and buggy it offered nothing that I could see that Sonar 7 could not do.  But I have installed X2a and am growing to like it.  It is very stable.  There are some bugs, of course, but they are not stopping me from working.  The thing that X2 offers me, based on the way I work as a composer, is the ability to lock and tab views and have 5 staff views up at the same time.  No other DAW allows such window flexibility. It really makes sequencing faster and easier. The changes with X2 are easy to get used to, and in complete contradiction of myself, I have grown to visually like the interface a lot.  Colors?  I think as long as I can change the colors of midi tracks, waves, and track names, I am happy.  They should however get rid of the color options that don't work, very tacky. I've had no problem so far with midi editing, audio editing, audio recording, VSTs or playback issues.  It is very smooth.   A few minor irritations, but for me, X2 is the first (of the X series) that I can actually use in real production.  We'll see if I don't run into a major showstopper...
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 

Hi all,a bit out of thread but is reality of facts that many Sonar user(legal copy i hope)problems can be solved by learning to use the program and reading the manual.This is the difference between professional or not.Best

Bugs may be there but I haven't found any real show stoppers in X2. In fact X2 has performed consistently better here than X1 did.

 
Ditto.   X2 just "feels" better than X1, and X1d was running just fine at the time.
 
I guess if the OP genuinely believes that all X2 offers is "...that improved Smart Tool or that touch screen option", then X2 is not for them.  I do like the Smart Tool enhancements, though I don't have a touch screen.   But what X2 is for me is so much more than that...  Like Automation Lanes, Auto Track Zoom, PRV enhancements, full screen mode, Track Lanes, PC enhancements, etc, etc.   A perfect case of YMMV.
 

Edit: Duplicate post courtesy of IE9.
 

Guess you really meant "ditto."

Brando
, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.

Peace. 

I never understood why people get so defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and why they feel the need to comment about it.

vintagevibe

Brando
, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.

Peace. 

I never understood why people get so defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and why they feel the need to comment about it.

Well .... neener-neener.
LOL - I really did mean "peace" 
Vintage - I really didn't mean that as a direction at you specifically. As I said, I was responding to the OP. Whatever DAW you want to use is absolutely fine with me - really.