vintagevibe

Brando
, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.

Peace. 

I never understood why people get so defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and why they feel the need to comment about it.

Like others have stated, I think that everyone is free to use whatever DAW they like and it doesn't matter to me but if you post your reasons for wanting to ditch a product for something else, I think you need to be sure of the facts first and as others have said, perceived problems could be down to the computer hardware/software configuration or inexperience.  When others see such things posted, they're merely pointing out to the poster that they're possibly incorrect.

While you say why others get defensive, etc, you could turn that on its head and say why do people feel the need to advertise the fact that they're ditching a product?

Wouldn't it be better to say I'm having these difficulties and has anyone else found a resolution to these issues otherwise I maybe forced to look for something else?

There are plenty examples of this in the Cakewalk forums and the best example is the anger aired about the stability problems with V-Vocal.  This is an excellent case as instead of those users ditching the whole Sonar DAW, they've merely stopped using V-Vocal and started using Melodyne instead!

To add to the comments about the new Cubase 7 GUI, my friend doesn't really like it either and I've heard other producers calling it ugly!

That's all from me...  

Hello,

I'm thinking of upgrading from Music Creator 6 to X2 Essentials. I agree with what the OP said about paying for demo versions. The 'demo' version of the MP3 exporter in MC6 is an outdated version of Lame encoder which is freeware. On that basis, and if the encoder is the same in Sonar X2, I'm not sure why Cakewalk is getting away with charging money to activate it. Fresh air $14.99/litre!

This post sounds like a bluff, seeking reassurance that X2 is not as terrible as he thinks.  I for one appreciate the direction Sonar has taken with X1, and X2 only improved upon it.  Cubase and Sonar both have trials; give them both an honest run.

Studious


This post sounds like a bluff, seeking reassurance that X2 is not as terrible as he thinks.  I for one appreciate the direction Sonar has taken with X1, and X2 only improved upon it.  Cubase and Sonar both have trials; give them both an honest run.

I worked with the Cubase demo for several weeks.  I hate the interface.  It is about the most unintuitive GUI I've seen in a DAW.  I am sure its a powerful DAW, it's just not my cup of tea.  I also have been working with (well, trying to work with) DP8 for Windows.   It is so buggy that it crashes on exit every time, I lose VSTs, I cannot get it to record audio (even though I am a pro, do this full time and have been doing it for many decades) and the staff view does not display dotted triplets correctly either (neither does Sonar).  So the grass is always greener on the other side, but the truth is that switching DAWs is a major learning curve.  I don't know what it would take for a software company to take the position that no new features are to be implemented until the ones that are already there work correctly.  Maybe never given commercial/economic pressures. 
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 

I don't know what it would take for a software company to take the position that no new features are to be implemented until the ones that are already there work correctly. 

Studio One is the closest thing to this approach except that it has no notation and that does not help those who need it.

Switching DAW's is not difficult. That is a myth. It all depends on what DAW you are switching to.

Studious


This post sounds like a bluff, seeking reassurance that X2 is not as terrible as he thinks.  I for one appreciate the direction Sonar has taken with X1, and X2 only improved upon it.  Cubase and Sonar both have trials; give them both an honest run.

I wish it's not as terrible as I think. I wish it's not as buggy as many users are reporting. You know, I have nothing against Cakewalk, or Roland. I've been using Roland/Boss products since 80's and Cakewalk since 2008.
 
In 2008, when I was thinking which DAW I should buy, I had to make a choice between Sonar and Cubase. My first choice would have been Logic, but I don't like Mac OS, so I decided to stick with PC and purchase Sonar and Propellerhead Reason (4).
 
So, here I am... Still happy with X1 (and Reason 6.5), but I think the times are changing. I don't like the direction Propellerhead has gone with Reason, so I'm not going to upgrade to Reason 7 either. I don't like their Rack Extension concept and I don't need another DAW to record audio. You may wonder why Reason AND Sonar? Well, I think Reason is a perfect platform to write new songs and ideas. I have also purchased a lot of Refills and yes, I use them a lot, but I don't need more audio loops and that's what you get with Reason 7.

Of course it's always a risk to skip a major version, but I think it's sometimes good to stick with the one you already have - at least if it works. So why to upgrade/change the platform? Well, I know that in 3-5 years the future plugins may not work in older DAW, so that's why. So the question is: Sonar or Cubase? I have no rush to get me new DAW right now, but I have a feeling that new Sonar is on its way this fall and I hope that it is the upgrade you don't want to miss, but at the moment I have no reason to upgrade from X1 to X2. I'm happy with X1 and my workflow. Never been better. But if the X3 is coming this fall, I'm pretty sure that the upgrade costs X1 users $200-$300. Then it's time to make a decision between Sonar and Cubase.
 
I will give Cubase a try and report my experiences here.

J4R10, 

Have you tried the X2 demo? 

I dropped Reason too. They have lost their way.

Sonar is very solid for me (apart from some graphical weirdness) but to be fair I never use some of the features you guys do- step sequencer, matrix, beatscape, dimension pro, publisher.

I have the latest Nuendo (bought cheap and upgraded in hope I could sell it) and it is glitchy for me. But I have not used it enough to develop workrounds so my assessment is maybe unfair.

Also have Ableton and that is a very cool program- the most "gapless" DAW that there is no question, but missing many features Sonar guys take for granted.

vintagevibe

Brando
, though I never understood why people feel the need to come back here and tell SONAR users about it except for the need to feel vindicated in their choice.

Peace. 

I never understood why people get so defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and why they feel the need to comment about it.

I never understood why, when people see people get defensive when they hear that others want to leave Sonar and feel the need to comment about it, people feel the need to comment about their commenting. :-)

thunderkyss


J4R10, 

Have you tried the X2 demo? 

No, I haven't. But I think it's fair to give X2 to a chance, so I'm going to try them both (Cubase 7 and X2) as soon as I get my mixing project done. I think it's just too risky to install X2 this moment (I've been mixing this album about two months now). One month to go 'til the deadline, so after that.