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2013/06/19 16:35:18
Jeff Evans
Yes dubdisciple I am with you. Fortunately for me it stops with just straight out audio editing and I still think an editing program is a vital addition to your setup. They can still do things quicker and easier and stuff that a DAW will not do at all.
 
I would be interesting in knowing what things you are doing that the current version of Audition is doing for you.
 
 
2013/06/19 17:54:13
dubdisciple
Jeff.  I think we are all in agreement that the subscription model sucks even if it saves money for some people, so i will talk about things that I use Audition for.
 
As I mentioned, the sync feature saves me lots of time.  Since they have put this feature into Premiere now, it's not as big of a deal as it was in previous versions.  There is a standalone software program called pluraleyes(sp) that does the same thing but it's a one trick pony.  Other features that have proven valuable are the spectral editing features like the noise removal and healing brush. It's not always perfect but can definitely do things it would have taken me hours to do if at all in older versions. Needless to say there are many features in audition that can be had buying plugins, but the amount of those plugins would add up to more than my subscription fees for several years.  Being able to edit my premiere audio directly in audition without having to export and import also saves me a lot of time.
 
With that said, I likely would not buy audition if it were not for the fact that it is lumped in with the rest of the suite, but since it is, i am making good use of it.
2013/06/19 18:57:34
The Maillard Reaction
 
Yes Dual Eyes has been incorporated into Plural Eyes... and it has been bought by Red Giant. I should probably upgrade. :-)
 
It does a great job with batch processing. It extracts the camera audio and inserts the new audio without re-compressing the video.
 
I like the fact that it is super light weight and does heavy lifting.
 
best regards,
mike 
2013/06/19 19:36:38
dubdisciple
It's a great product and actually works better than what is built into Audition
2013/06/19 20:35:59
cecelius2
Thanks for the thread.  I also still have my Cool Edit Pro on my older computer, but have not installed it on my more recent build.  This thread got me interested in it again; so I will dig up my CD's and install it anew.
 
Cool Edit Pro met my limited audio editing needs.  I looked into upgrading over the years, but for $19.99 per month for Audition CC, that is $239 per year.  If I made my living editing audio it would be worth it, but as a home studio user, Cool Edit Pro does the trick for my use which is often just its Noise Reduction feature.  Not bashing Audition, just not worth the monthly charge for my meager use of it.  Still, this thread got me thinking about Cool Edit again.  Thanks for that.
2013/06/19 21:19:36
Jeff Evans


Cool Edit Pro is fantastic for a lot of things. For me pre production editing before mixing being one of them. There is a raft of things you can do to your raw tracks that will improve them no end. Fixing up level variances being one of them. Cleaning unwanted stuff away. Noise reduction here and there on tracks with buzz or hum. I don't get into EQ much at this point but if you know what sort of filtering though or definite EQ changes you want, it can be done at this stage too.
 
Vocal tracks can really benefit from any pre mix editing in Cool Edit Pro. If I make changes to a track I just resave under the same name with (Edit 1) in brackets after the title telling me the first level of editing has taken place. As long as you don't alter the length in any way it is easy to replace tracks with their edited counterparts into your arrangement.
 
Less plug-ins will ultimately be used and compressors can be set for nicer relaxed level duties with lower ratios and lower amounts of gain reduction. Lower ratios means the sound is bigger. You will gain significant gains in CPU resources back. After a lot of pre editing my CPU meter only ends up at 50% for a very complex mix.
 
I am working with an artist that has an incredible dynamic range in her vocals. There is no way you could just put the raw track in and use plugins to tame it under control. Automation would be complex and time consuming. But opening up the track In Cool Edit Pro and just pulling up the softer sections, lowering the louder bits all while VU meters are monitoring the tracks every move. Everything is happening in relation to the K System ref level. You end up with this still dynamic track but way more under control now. Less processing is actually being used on the final vocal track now. It sounds bigger, fatter, clearer and just better at the end of the day due to the pre editing involved. (And now that I am using Harrison's Mixbus it all sounds better still!   Very easy to now sit vocal levels into a music backing. (Small mono speaker down at low volume for this is the only way to do it)
 
You don't have to put all your eggs in the plug-in processing department. It is good sometimes just to get back to basics and get all the tracks sounding great before you even start a mix.
 
 
 
2013/06/20 02:00:51
dubdisciple
Honestly, there is no way i would go this route for one program.  I don't think Adobe expects many to go that route.  For people already using adobe products it's 29.99 per month for what is basically something just short of the master suite of their products. Audition 19.99/month sucks but 29.99 for Audition, Premiere, After Effects, Dreamweaver, Flash, Illustrator, Indesign, Photoshop, etc is damn good for regular users of multiple products.
 
If one does strictly audio editing, there is very little benefit to upgrade anyway.  It's clear to me that Adobe has been aiming Audition at video editors for awhile now .  They actually dropped some of the musical features from the program.  Granted, the stuff that was dropped did not work too well anyway like midi implementation and limited ability to play softsynths, but abandoning them while tightening integration to video editors  is a hint of the direction program is heading.
2013/06/21 12:31:14
rumleymusic
Audition was really aimed at radio and post production editing.  It is the most popular program for radio production and I use it every day for my work.  The editing workflow is really the fastest of any DAW on the the market.  Destructive editing is still an important part of that work flow and Audition integrates destructive and muti-track environments brilliantly.  
 
I think the CC program is great if you are running the complete master collection.  Especially since they give you the option to buy it for a low price after a certain amount of time.  But seems overpriced for a single program.  You can still purchase a CS6 version of Audition can't you?
2013/06/21 14:01:04
dubdisciple
That's where it becomes somewhat uncertain.  Adobe is unlikely to sell you a copy of CS6, but there may be some floating around.  I think the option to buy the product outright would be nice, but Adobe is unlikely to budge on that because it absolutely kills the used software market.  Adobe is making a huge dice roll that I suspect will bite them at some point. The only adobe product that they have a monopoly on is Photoshop.  There is no real alternative that presents a real challenge. Video editors have many options to Premiere and Premiere is not even the #1 editor of choice. After Effects is popular among hobbyists, but it is considered a low end composting tool among working VFX artists. High end VFX artists will stick with products like Nuke and lower budget folks may start giving programs like hit film a try. Needless to say, there are already lots of alternatives to Audition.  For now, I am participating in this unholy sales tactic, but only because I use so many of the programs day to day.
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