Hello everyone.
 
Let's not get overheated like the power supply.
I believe the whole subject being addressed here is starting to go south in a big hurry.
I own mixbus and I really notice a difference in the tracks I put in and what comes out of my monitors. I am getting the idea that no one is really using those two floppy things on the side of their head in order to discover the difference.
Those two floppy things are (believe it or not) EARS.
But now we come to the realisation that everyone has a different feel of sound. That is probably why there are so many Genre's to choose from. And it is also a fact that some people have lost part of their hearing and therefore cannot hear everything that a DAW brings.
 
As for the power supply I believe that the power supply should have a normal working temperature of about 50 to 60 degrees. If the supply has been too hot all the time means thet it is either constructed wrong or that the wrong parts were used. Behringer has this same problem with it's equipment. Not enough cooling.
 
I guess what I really wanted to say is to enjoy  music. You have to use your ears and be able to hear differences in what your working on or listening to.
You could have a 2 million dollar studio with everything you wanted in it, but if you can't use your ears what good is it.
 
Just make,mix,master music and be thankful you can still hear what you're doing.
 
Danny

Yes Harrison 950m looks quite good but is it as good as an old Harrison though I wonder. And after all it is only a small new modern console. Pretty hefty price tag too at around $38,000. There are a lot of other ways one could spend that sort of money. You would get a hell of a digital mixer too for that. Try this for around $25000 here right now from some people. It has got all the analog modeling stuff built in helped along by Rupert Neve no less.
 
http://www.yamahaproaudio...ucts/mixers/dm2000vcm/
 
Rupert Neve has worked closely with Yamaha to develop some amazing analog emulation stuff. In an article I was reading Rupert himself mentioned he thought these plugins were the closest thing to his analog designs and he was amazed at how good they sounded. I could argue that is a better option than the Harrison analog mixer approach and cheaper. I think if you were going to spend tens of thousands one needs to fully research all the available options. A powerful digital mixer integrates in a very powerful way with a DAW and much more so than any analog desk. The recall ability too is also amazing.
 
The Harrison power supply was very large, heavy and built like a tank so it must have been designed to handle it for sure. It is just that it got so hot you would not believe it. I am so thankful that we don't have to build things that way now. BTW that old Harrison desk I was referring to had to be left on 24/7. It was not the sort of thing one could turn off.  You need to be pretty flush to be able to afford it. (At our current rate here around $2000 a year)
 
I do use my ears. What I am hearing is things not coming out so good compared to what goes into a console emulator or tape sim (in some situations of course.) In other situations it just boils down to distortion that we like and thus sounds better. At the right time on the right tracks or buses yes it can be a great thing but only on part of your mix, not necessarily all of it.
 
Feed some sinewave test tones into your console emulators and tape sims etc and see what comes out on a spectrum analyser. You may be surprised. Extra stuff! It is distortion pure and simple. People who are convinced that analog emulations are superior to not using them are those who still may have analog as their benchmark. Make digital your benchmark instead and you now have a very different perspective. Train your ears the other way around. I am someone who has come from a very analog background. Mixers and tape machines and all that. Now I believe things are sounding better than ever. Once you get used to that then the analog thing starts to sound not so good. It just depends on how you look at it.
 
The music is still much important than if a console emulator is used or not. There are more important things to do to the music than spending time transferring things in and out of Mixbus. You are lucky if you have got the time to do that. When there are time constraints these things tend to take a much lower priority.

cclarry
And Strammy...I REALLY expected a little more "objectivity" from you...
have you even been reading this thread?

Every word Larry - I'd already posted in this thread (after coming over from the similar thread in the SONAR forum).
 
I think I'm pretty objective, and I'm enjoying every aspect of the differing opinions in this thread. I certainly didn't 'agree' with what Jeff said, I merely commented on how interesting his post was. I've picked up a lot of great advice from Jeff over the years, and I have a lot of respect for him - he certainly knows his stuff, and has the knack of getting it across to others.
 
I totally respect your views in this thread as well, and the post from which I've extracted this quote really sets out a logical and intelligent argument to the points Jeff raised.
 
It seems you both have the intellectual ammunition to back up your opinions, and I'm simply enjoying the discussion, mainly because I am seriously tempted to purchase Mixbus at the $39 blow-out price to add another string to my mixing bow.
 
Anyway, I hope we're still cool Larry.
 
 

SteveStrummerUK

cclarry
And Strammy...I REALLY expected a little more "objectivity" from you...
have you even been reading this thread?

Every word Larry - I'd already posted in this thread (after coming over from the similar thread in the SONAR forum).
 
I think I'm pretty objective, and I'm enjoying every aspect of the differing opinions in this thread. I certainly didn't 'agree' with what Jeff said, I merely commented on how interesting his post was. I've picked up a lot of great advice from Jeff over the years, and I have a lot of respect for him - he certainly knows his stuff, and has the knack of getting it across to others.
 
I totally respect your views in this thread as well, and the post from which I've extracted this quote really sets out a logical and intelligent argument to the points Jeff raised.
 
It seems you both have the intellectual ammunition to back up your opinions, and I'm simply enjoying the discussion, mainly because I am seriously tempted to purchase Mixbus at the $39 blow-out price to add another string to my mixing bow.
 
Anyway, I hope we're still cool Larry.
 
 

Always Strammy...I just misunderstood...

And I'm kewl with Jeff also....I respect his ideas and opinions...

My whole conversation was about the logic of WHY to buy Mixbus, per his request,
and I just feel it is quite unfair to "judge" something as "inferior" when you've
never even used it or heard it, etc...just because it doesn't have a "feature".
As I said...if that's the case, then X2 is inferior to Studio One, and Studio
One is inferior to Cubase, etc...ad nauseum....because NONE of them have
all the features of the others..so that renders them all inferior to each other...IJS...

It would have been far more appropriate to say, it doesn't have MIDI so I can't use it..
Which, if you read the Website, MIDI IS coming...and I'm keeping my fingers
crossed that it goes 64 bit also...that's going to allow me to get rid of my 32
bit plugins that I only use in MixBus...LOL

I respect everyone's opinions, and I certainly don't call something "inferior",
especially when I've never even HEARD it or TRIED it...
 
That's like saying the Fairchild is inferior to the Neve, even though I've never used a Fairchild,
or heard one...Mine is superior because I OWN IT...that's how it comes off...
I'm sure that wasn't what Jeff was saying, but that's the way it sounded (twice).
They are two entirely separate SOUNDING and FUNCTIONING entities...
 
I have to say, and there are many here that would completely agree...at $39,
it's a smoking deal...and, as I stated, it provides (for me, as an investment in the future)
an upgrade path when it happens...and all 2.x updates are free also...
I've paid FAR MORE for FAR LESS...that's for sure...

I had the opportunity to demo their plugins and they are quite nice...
It's their own format, LV2, and they come with the program, you just have
to get License codes to be able to use them...

The new X-Tools Plugins, for Mastering, are right from the High End Consoles...
wish they were VST so they could be used in other programs...but, I see why they do that...as with any
company...it's all about the Benjamins...(Pro Tools RTAS, AAX, blah blah blah..etc..)

Let's keep it real, something that most on the forum have a hard time handling...
and objective....

I applaud a programs strength, and I laud their weaknesses..especially in the forums,
in the hopes that the "ears" of the Company are listening and can improve the product.
NOT because I don't like Cakewalk, or Steinberg, or Presonus, or AVID....
 
As Jeff stated, Studio One is one HELLUVA DAW.....I'll be the first to say that...being
one of the new kids on the block...it's definitely a contender for "top of the heap" IMHO...
I found the interface a little "clunky", but it's certainly NOT inferior....

Cubase is growing by leaps and bounds, and with the Yamaha and Portico (Neve) partnerships
I'm sure more goodies are coming...(BTW Jeff, I love Yamaha Mixers)

Sonar, for me, has the BEST interface, and the BEST workflow that I've had the privilege to use...I love it...
It just looks BETTER, as crazy as that sounds...it makes me feel "at home" as weird as that sounds,
and if they get it stable, and get VST 3 implemented and improve the Video and Scoring.....KABAM.... 
Pros will be flocking to it IMHO...and get off their butts on the PC Modules....they should be
FLOODING US with them...and taking the "plugin" dollars from the other companies...


But, the competition is STRONG....all of them, and more are popping out of the woodworks...
And I'll try them....if they have Demo's....I'm the first to say that I'm going to land where
I can get the most in ONE package...and here's to hoping it's Sonar...

But I still like to "know" the competition...that's my MO....so that I CAN speak from a point of reference...
I just demo'd DP 8, and, while it has it's strong points, particularly Video and Scoring, it's workflow and
interface didn't suit me...but that's JUST ME...had that been more to my liking, I probably would have 
invested, as it IS one heck of a program...certainly NOT inferior...

I'm a PC user...but I use Macs also...and they are FAR more similar then most (Macofiles) would care to admit,
as I can use most of the same Keyboard shortcuts with both programs (some variations are there)

Let's just say that I won't judge something as "inferior" at least until I've had a chance to use it and judge it "objectively"
from my perspective.  Even then, calling something "inferior" because I WON'T use it still a bit strong...

Better to say, it lacks what I NEED.....But, to each his own, as the saying goes...LOL

Peace!

cowboydan
Hello everyone.
 
Let's not get overheated like the power supply.
I believe the whole subject being addressed here is starting to go south in a big hurry.
I own mixbus and I really notice a difference in the tracks I put in and what comes out of my monitors. I am getting the idea that no one is really using those two floppy things on the side of their head in order to discover the difference.
Those two floppy things are (believe it or not) EARS.
But now we come to the realisation that everyone has a different feel of sound. That is probably why there are so many Genre's to choose from. And it is also a fact that some people have lost part of their hearing and therefore cannot hear everything that a DAW brings.
 
As for the power supply I believe that the power supply should have a normal working temperature of about 50 to 60 degrees. If the supply has been too hot all the time means thet it is either constructed wrong or that the wrong parts were used. Behringer has this same problem with it's equipment. Not enough cooling.
 
I guess what I really wanted to say is to enjoy  music. You have to use your ears and be able to hear differences in what your working on or listening to.
You could have a 2 million dollar studio with everything you wanted in it, but if you can't use your ears what good is it.
 
Just make,mix,master music and be thankful you can still hear what you're doing.
 
Danny

Thanx Danny...I agree wholeheartedly...

FWIW, LV2 is not a Harrison proprietary format, you can read about it here http://lv2plug.in/

Thanx for the info Scook!!
 
I sit corrected...=P

Also the $39.00 / don't Crack sale is extended until June 16:
http://sites.fastspring.c...duct/mixbus_23_license

...Do you know how many authorisations you can have with MixBuss?...
 
I didn't see that this question early in the post ever got answered, so from their site:
 
What is the Mixbus user license?  If I have a desktop and a laptop computer, can I install it on both?

...Yes.  Mixbus is licensed to a "single user".  This means that as long as you are the only user, you can install it on all of your personal computers. If multiple people will be using the software, you will need to purchase a license for each user.  Commercial businesses and educational facilities should purchase a license for each computer...  
 
HTH

jimusic
...Do you know how many authorisations you can have with MixBuss?...
 
I didn't see that this question early in the post ever got answered, so from their site:
 
What is the Mixbus user license?  If I have a desktop and a laptop computer, can I install it on both?

...Yes.  Mixbus is licensed to a "single user".  This means that as long as you are the only user, you can install it on all of your personal computers. If multiple people will be using the software, you will need to purchase a license for each user.  Commercial businesses and educational facilities should purchase a license for each computer...  
 
HTH

Thanks for this JR...I forgot to get back to it...