2013/06/01 09:14:40
The Maillard Reaction
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2013/06/01 09:42:42
gmon72
I just read about this one in computer music.  Haven't tried it yet, but it's free. http://sleepytimedsp.com/software/lisp/




2013/06/01 09:44:41
The Maillard Reaction
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2013/06/01 10:10:01
lawajava
Yeah, LISP looks useful and will be a good addition to the tool set - especially considering it's free.
2013/06/01 10:47:22
yorolpal
Fabfilter.
2013/06/01 11:21:12
Eddie TX
My favorite is the Nomad de-esser in the Blue Tubes bundle.  IK makes a good one too, and I think you can get it right now for about $40.
 
Cheers,
Eddie
 
2013/06/01 12:24:27
lawajava
Yorolpal - looks obvious you are right in your recommendation.

I'll add that to my future wish list. Probably near term now that I know about it. Thanks!
2013/06/01 15:39:29
SvenArne
UAD prescision de-esser is the one I use. Have also had good experience with the Sonnox SuprEsser.  

A lot of these products just don't seem to work at all for me, but I bet the Fabfilter is good.
2013/06/01 16:34:06
Jeff Evans
There can be problems with an overall effect being used on a track. The problem is that it effects all the audio on that track whereas you might only want to effect a small portion of the track. Snipping out the actual points of concern and turning them into clips and applying clip based effects only is a good way to start. 

A de-esser is a prime example. Like all track effects they are acting on all of the audio all the time. The de-esser is also effecting frequencies that are adjacent to the main de-essing frequency range. So those parts of the vocal sound may also be effected to some extent.

I am a fan of opening up tracks in a decent editing program one by one and doing some important preliminary work there. It saves so much time later on and almost eliminates many of your track plugins that you may be using. De-essing is one job that can be handled well at this point. I like to check out the entire vocal track's aspects in a microscopic manner for many reasons and de-essing is just one of them. One can select over just the offending area and apply a series of operations such as thinning out the low end, smoothing out the high end and dropping the level down. These can all be macros so a single key stroke can do this in an editing program. 

It is a level of precision untouched by the broader approach of applying an effect that is acting on all the audio all the time on a given vocal track. The less and less you apply plugins over the whole track the higher quality the audio remains and your vocal sound gets better. 

Dynamics is another very important parameter of the vocal sound that can be edited prior to mixing. Then the need for the main vocal compressor changes and it can be set for a lower ratio, work less hard and sound bigger, smoother and better as a result. You end up squashing the vocal sound less and it retains a little more of it's natural dynamic range when you pre edit also. The reverbs also sound better coming from a nicely edited vocal track. It is always a simple matter to backup your original track of course and slide the newly edited one in its place inside your session.

If you are going to use a plugin then a check with the spectrum analyser is not a bad thing to do here over the 's' parts of course. You will quickly see where the centre frequency needs to be set around. I find a multiband compressor with a very narrow band set by you works pretty OK too. Another thing to do is to build your own by using a EQ with a very narrow peak working in the side chain of any compressor. I have found the Vocal channel from Cakewalk can be set-up for OK de-essing too. 



2013/06/01 17:11:09
bitflipper

I have a particularly ugly essed-up track that I pull out for de-esser tests.


LISP didn't do anything at all for me on that nasty track, except that on extreme settings it gave the vocalist an actual lisp.


Among the many de-essers I've tried on this same track, Fabfilter's Pro-DS easily ranks second-best of all. Only second, because even it couldn't match the results I got doing it old-school with a compressed and filtered key track driving a generic compressor. That's still the most effective and controllable method - by far - for those real problem tracks. But for minor cleanup, Pro-DS pretty much represents the current state of the art, I think.
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