2012/12/13 19:28:48
backwoods
Remember a little while back Waves brand Plugins were accepting applications for "Waves Street Ambassadors"? These people would go around the forums spreading the good word about Waves Brand VSTs apparently.

Do these people actually exist now or did it fall through and if they do exist do they present themselves as Waves salespersons like IKOBI does (except IKObi is an IK multimedia spokesperson)?
2012/12/13 21:03:54
bitflipper
On kvr they have another word for "street ambassadors": "sockpuppets". bapu was talking about enlisting at one time but he either had moral qualms or is too embarrassed to admit he went through with it.
2012/12/13 21:19:24
cryophonik
They should make me an honorary Street Ambassador for all the people I've suckered convinced to buy their plugins.  So should FabFilter, for that matter.   
2012/12/13 21:35:12
cclarry
cryophonik


They should make me an honorary Street Ambassador for all the people I've suckered convinced to buy their plugins.  So should FabFilter, for that matter.   

+1


I feel like I work for them...
2012/12/13 21:55:17
cclarry
Here is the Waves Street Team site..

http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=12063

They do videos....

EDIT: Not really a site...there are lots of videos from "The Street Team"
2012/12/13 22:09:13
yorolpal
Well...we're I to be a "sock puppet " for any company I can guarantee that I'd be the limpest sock in the drawer.  I believe I might've scored a "triple" entendre there!!!
2012/12/13 23:43:44
Fog
you buy fab filter stuff = you like them... is my experience so far..  as with PSP and a few more makers.. thats what all companies should deal with .. NOT misleading adverts / ecomonical with the truth adveritising.. the biggy being "oh yes it it includes ACME xyz" ... err yer the LE version!! 
 
other makers feel it's fine to "dick" around customers... they will learn when mine + others money else goes elsewhere. Thats the only thing that works
 
I don't "big them up" as I'd rather less people used them... yer I know... bad but hey. NI's loss, they seem to think "doing customers over" then nearly laughing about it , makes good business sense.. in the UK we have such a thing as "false advertising" they'd be wary to test it as much as they have (what B4 2 *WASN't* free in the komplete update ? yet you neglected to mention it)


p.s. cakewalk BIN this forum software, it makes this place look like amateur hour compared to other vendors I use.





2012/12/14 12:38:08
bitflipper
Reading KVR has made me think about this a lot. If you spend any time there, you know that the board is dominated by a small number of very opinionated but generally knowledgeable posters whose commonality is a fascination (obsession?) with plugins. Less-experienced users often rely on those writers' opinions to make buying decisions. I have seen products both boosted beyond their deserved status and killed dead by those posters.

But after awhile you start to ask yourself whether those opinions are really objective. There are certain developers who hang out on kvr that the core posters really like, and to them those devs cannot do any wrong. So are their products really being objectively evaluated, or is there a bias toward likable developers? Is some of it even actual collusion? 

There have been incidents of blatant sock-puppetry, but I think an inspired marketer could devise a marketing campaign that could manipulate that group without appearing to be puppetry. After all, when you're being manipulated by a true master of the craft, you won't KNOW you're being manipulated at all. When you describe someone as being "manipulative", you're usually describing a failed manipulator whose methods were not clever enough to escape detection.

I would suggest that a) we aren't always aware of the extent to which our opinions are being shaped by online opinions, and b) that at least some of the time those opinions are being influenced surreptitiously and deliberately.

BTW, I don't think Cakewalk engages in such underhanded tactics. Either that or they're very, very good at it, which I doubt. A company that comes up with "DAW 2.0" - only to have it repeatedly ridiculed - is, I think, a company we can trust.

Or did Cakewalk pay me to say that?


2012/12/14 13:21:10
strikinglyhandsome1
Find a few people who like the stuff the you own or have a similar take on things. I've got a few who are virtually faultless at giving objective assessments (some on here). They don't buy into the hype. They don't know me but when something comes up it's worthwhile for me checking what they have to say.

Then type the words 'problems' and 'faults' after the product name and google like your wallet depends on it.
2012/12/14 13:29:35
bapu
bitflipper


On kvr they have another word for "street ambassadors": "sockpuppets". bapu was talking about enlisting at one time but he either had moral qualms or is too embarrassed to admit he went through with it.

Moral qualms.
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