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  • Apparently by some metrics I could technically be considered a Millenial (p.2)
2018/01/14 22:15:44
Beepster
sharke
eph221
I like the libertarian streak in millenials. 




I've yet to find one. 




They are more "social" libertarians as opposed to the rooting tooting good old boy kind of libertarian.
 
I'm somewhat of a social libertarian myself.
2018/01/14 22:16:49
sharke
I tend to think of social libertarianism as just plain 'ole liberalism. 
2018/01/14 22:23:28
eph221
ARound here it's fashionable to love the cop and hate the fed.  I'm sure you understand that dynamic. I just float along and say whatever to whomever it may concern.
2018/01/14 22:26:53
Beepster
sharke
I tend to think of social libertarianism as just plain 'ole liberalism. 





That's why there is that 4 point, XY axis spectrum thingie that denotes on X conservative vs. liberal and on the Y libertarian vs. authoritarian.
 
Essentially libertarianism is not just a conservative/liberal trait (nor is authoritarianism) and everyone has their degree of how much brute force they think should be applied in enforcing their ideals.
2018/01/14 23:12:11
sharke
To me the political spectrum runs from Individualism to Collectivism, and both right and left are well represented all along the spectrum. 
 
There'll always be your "libertarians" who congregate around causes like the legalization of pot, but whom seem very un-libertarian indeed in their desires, stated in other contexts, to wield the state as a weapon against people or groups they don't like. So "don't dictate what we do behind closed doors" but while you're at it, how about some tough new laws to stop X, Y and Z. 
 
We have a lot of those in NYC. Politicians here are generally socially liberal, which is great, but then they come down like a ton of authoritarian bricks on groups they have disdain for (like business owners). Did you know that here in New York, I am now forbidden to perform background checks on people before offering them a job? Can't even ask them if they have a criminal record. I can do the check after I've offered them the job, but I'm not allowed to deny them the job based on a conviction unless what they were convicted for has a direct relevance to the job I'm offering. Let's say someone has a conviction for beating his wife - I absolutely would rather not hire them. But according to NYC lawmakers, the crime doesn't have any relevance to the jobs I offer and I'm prohibited from withdrawing the job offer. It's totally nuts. And I have friends who would absolutely describe themselves as social libertarians whilst fully supporting laws like this. 
2018/01/14 23:39:14
Beepster
I can see the point of a law like that (trying not to shut out ex cons that are making an effort thus, ideally, reducing recidivism).
 
Not sure I agree with it... but I understand it. However for a small business owner offering the services you do I'd say that it should not apply. Mostly because you have a lot more at stake/to lose if some shmanko spazzlord gets through than say a huge business where it's easier for them to absorb any derpwaddery without it causing severe damage to the company.
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