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  • Apple on a Tree - Channeling John Lennon with BIAB (p.2)
2017/08/12 03:14:44
michael japan
well, it's pretty amazing it can do that. And the song, guitars, and vocals are all very nice. Kudos.
2017/08/12 03:35:05
kevinwal
Thanks, Michael, I do appreciate your feedback!
2017/08/12 07:20:59
FreeEarCandy
I usually go right for the tune and then come back and read the info then comment. My immediate impression was nice vocals-they have some nice up front clarity, however the back seemed just a tad wet-just a tad (don't ask me how much a tad is).  The second thing that hit me was it had a definite British vibe, and, of course, my mind went immediately to the Beatles-definitely Lennon...definitely (spoken in my best Dustin Hoffman rain man voice).
 
I think this is a well done tune, and I dig the channeling, but don't go too far, because a good exorcist is hard to find-awfully busy these days I suppose with all the demons about and Halloween just around the corner. Believe me I know, as I'm still trying to shake off the ghost of David Gilmour, who to my amazement is still around with us-thank God! 
 
Well, I can't say enough about your tune. I enjoyed it, felt it, and conclude you are in fact John Lennon, which leaves me confused as to who I should say goodbye too.
 
:)
Dean. 
 
2017/08/12 14:24:15
kennywtelejazz
Hi Kevin ,
 
BIAB or not , this song did come out very good .
I would not have know that you used BIAB if you did not mention it upfront
IMHO, I  think you pretty much owned what you did here with the song . The singing and production was very decent .
I happen to miss hearing those Lennon type of chord progressions in popular Music .
I happen to think that what you have done here is a very good starting off point to piggy backing off what has been done before in the past while giving you the opportunity to bring this type of genre to a new place while still honoring your Lennon influence .
How could you accomplish that goal ? IMHO it would take giving time a little time ...step away from the tune a little bit and start replacing some of the BIAB generated auto accompaniments with instruments you have played in their place ..
You can even ask a few players on the forum to collab with you if need be . I'm sure there's a few people here on the forum that are familiar with The Music of the Beatles and Lennon ... 
If you are on your own you can work it one track at a time ,
ex,...add some nice acoustic guitar strums in select places ..BTW, Session Drummer has a great Ringo Kit ...
Little touches like that along the way can add up to big changes in a song ...
In any event, I still think your song as it is was , is certainly a very good listen good job .
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
2017/08/12 17:05:16
Wookiee
It works however you did it, are thinking of reworking it or something else?

Thank for sharing.
2017/08/12 18:29:24
kevinwal
FreeEarCandy
I usually go right for the tune and then come back and read the info then comment. My immediate impression was nice vocals-they have some nice up front clarity, however the back seemed just a tad wet-just a tad (don't ask me how much a tad is).  The second thing that hit me was it had a definite British vibe, and, of course, my mind went immediately to the Beatles-definitely Lennon...definitely (spoken in my best Dustin Hoffman rain man voice).
 
I think this is a well done tune, and I dig the channeling, but don't go too far, because a good exorcist is hard to find-awfully busy these days I suppose with all the demons about and Halloween just around the corner. Believe me I know, as I'm still trying to shake off the ghost of David Gilmour, who to my amazement is still around with us-thank God! 
 
Well, I can't say enough about your tune. I enjoyed it, felt it, and conclude you are in fact John Lennon, which leaves me confused as to who I should say goodbye too.
 
:)
Dean. 
 




Ha, that's great, Dean. I'm glad you enjoyed the song. I'll try not to go too far, mostly because I don't think I'm actually able to. David Gilmour is another ghost rolls around my studio alive though he may be. Yeah, we are all standing on the shoulders of ghosts, really giant, gargantuan ghosts. 
2017/08/12 18:33:09
kevinwal
Wookiee
It works however you did it, are thinking of reworking it or something else?

Thank for sharing.


Yeah, I'm thinking about it. Some minor alterations to the melody line and maybe even finish writing the lyric.. :) But you know how it is, once a song gets out of your head and starts making waves in the air it tends to want to be what it is. Mostly though I'd want to alter some of the guitar lines, practice them well and then re-do them since what's there is rather sloppy and it was just kind of run off the top of my head. I gotta believe I can do better than that. Andy maybe even a vocal track without a metronome clacking away in the background. :)
 
Thanks, Wookie!
2017/08/12 18:38:53
kevinwal
kennywtelejazz
Hi Kevin ,
 
BIAB or not , this song did come out very good .
I would not have know that you used BIAB if you did not mention it upfront
IMHO, I  think you pretty much owned what you did here with the song . The singing and production was very decent .
I happen to miss hearing those Lennon type of chord progressions in popular Music .
I happen to think that what you have done here is a very good starting off point to piggy backing off what has been done before in the past while giving you the opportunity to bring this type of genre to a new place while still honoring your Lennon influence .
How could you accomplish that goal ? IMHO it would take giving time a little time ...step away from the tune a little bit and start replacing some of the BIAB generated auto accompaniments with instruments you have played in their place ..
You can even ask a few players on the forum to collab with you if need be . I'm sure there's a few people here on the forum that are familiar with The Music of the Beatles and Lennon ... 
If you are on your own you can work it one track at a time ,
ex,...add some nice acoustic guitar strums in select places ..BTW, Session Drummer has a great Ringo Kit ...
Little touches like that along the way can add up to big changes in a song ...
In any event, I still think your song as it is was , is certainly a very good listen good job .
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny




Kenny, I agree, the world needs more Lennon chord progressions! Thanks for your encouragement and your ideas on taking it forward from here. It means a lot to me coming from you! I'll take your suggestions to heart and consider them seriously.
 
As for BIAB, it did a far more polished job than I'm capable of playing, that's one thing for sure. It's slick and tight and it sounds quite professional (if a bit inhuman to my ear.) And maybe that's what bugs me about it. I'm not that solid a musician. It takes a great deal of work and practice for me to get even the simplest things done, and even then I'm sure a professional producer would reject most of my tracks. But you know, it would me as I am at this moment in time and that's somehow important to me.
2017/08/15 09:42:30
kennywtelejazz
kevinwal
 
 
Kenny, I agree, the world needs more Lennon chord progressions! Thanks for your encouragement and your ideas on taking it forward from here. It means a lot to me coming from you! I'll take your suggestions to heart and consider them seriously.
 
As for BIAB, it did a far more polished job than I'm capable of playing, that's one thing for sure. It's slick and tight and it sounds quite professional (if a bit inhuman to my ear.) And maybe that's what bugs me about it. I'm not that solid a musician. It takes a great deal of work and practice for me to get even the simplest things done, and even then I'm sure a professional producer would reject most of my tracks. But you know, it would me as I am at this moment in time and that's somehow important to me.




Kevin , I hope it's OK for me to make a suggestion to you on how you can get some extra mileage out of BIAB ...
In my case, I have taken a fully structured tune that I was somewhat happy with and what I would do is save various versions of the same exact song at the same tempo and key  using different styles ...
Those different styles would give me ideas and in some cases , since i was working with the same song in a different style I would lift a part here and there along the way and drop it into my song project  
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
2017/08/15 21:46:45
kevinwal
That's not a bad idea, Kenny, thanks!
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