2013/03/14 11:36:52
DW_Mike
Philip


iToo have done away with iKM (except ARC) ... iKM support is nonexistent, in my repeated experience.

+1 on Waves getting their 64bit and support up-to-date.

Ah yes, I forgot about ARC.
I just purchased ARC 2 two weeks ago.
That's another one I'll keep up with.


Mike
2013/03/14 12:03:32
vintagevibe
FreeFlyBertl


 
I'm starting to realize that I won't be able to keep my DAW of the net much longer, but I keep holding on for a bit - personal paranoia I reckon ...
 
Anyway, may I ask what you are using as a backup system to be able to fix / rebuild in 30 minutes. I do frequent incremental backups using Acronis, but fear that it might be much longer in case I have to sort out something serious ...

I keep the original data on an internal 2TB drive.  I have 2 - 2TB external drives for backups which are on their own power strip.  I use Microsoft Sync Toy to keep 2 copies of the internal drive on the external drives.  I set Sync Toy to "echo" and not "sync" since this only copies all changes from the source to the destination drivers and note the other way round.  I also keep Acronis disk images which are backed up with the other data.  Note that these are not file back ups but disk images.


So... if the absolute worst happens and my system drive and all data are gone I just power on my back up drives, run Acronis image restore to the system drive and switch to one of my 2TB external drives for data. 

Next I'm planning to purchase another 2TB drive to use as an offsite backup which I will keep at my brother's house.  When I want to update it I'll just swap it out with one of the drives connected to my PC and run Sync Toy to update it.  This way I'll have a total of 4 version of my data, one of which is at another location.
2013/03/15 08:06:35
xabiton
iOS is the future. I am not sure why people would get upset about them jumping on top of a new market. And before someone says they have neglected their desktop applications they really haven't if you look at what they have done in the last 3 months with amplitube and T-Racks. They have been doing very good for their desktop stuff. They are just working on ST3 and I for one am excited to get my hands on it. 
2013/03/15 11:07:11
vintagevibe
xabiton


iOS is the future. I am not sure why people would get upset about them jumping on top of a new market. And before someone says they have neglected their desktop applications they really haven't if you look at what they have done in the last 3 months with amplitube and T-Racks. They have been doing very good for their desktop stuff. They are just working on ST3 and I for one am excited to get my hands on it. 

Iin the last 3 months:
T-Racks: They added one effect (quad series) and packaged it in 4 flavors plus the new channel strip.   
Amplitube: a few more models.
iOS - too many to list

The Sampletank application, which is the basis of all their instruments, hasn't been updated in at least 6 years.  They announced version 3 over 3 years ago.  They say they are working on it but I suspect they have one guy working part time from a basement office on single core/1gb system.  He's also responsible for cleaning their offices and getting coffee.

Sampletank is their lowest possible priority.  When you invest in software and libraries you invest in the company.  Sampletank users have been abandoned. 
2013/03/15 13:12:46
xabiton
vintagevibe


xabiton


iOS is the future. I am not sure why people would get upset about them jumping on top of a new market. And before someone says they have neglected their desktop applications they really haven't if you look at what they have done in the last 3 months with amplitube and T-Racks. They have been doing very good for their desktop stuff. They are just working on ST3 and I for one am excited to get my hands on it. 

Iin the last 3 months:
T-Racks: They added one effect (quad series) and packaged it in 4 flavors plus the new channel strip.   
Amplitube: a few more models.
iOS - too many to list

The Sampletank application, which is the basis of all their instruments, hasn't been updated in at least 6 years.  They announced version 3 over 3 years ago.  They say they are working on it but I suspect they have one guy working part time from a basement office on single core/1gb system.  He's also responsible for cleaning their offices and getting coffee.

Sampletank is their lowest possible priority.  When you invest in software and libraries you invest in the company.  Sampletank users have been abandoned. 

Its been more like 3 years. Last ST update was 04-08-2010. They updated the Jimi Hendrix amplitube collection and added the orange models. they added the quad series (4 different fx) the british channel, released a new version of custom shop for t-racks, updated csr to 64 bit and released irig Keys which works on pc mac and ios. They have released 7 different ios only products in that time but spread out the releases rather than doing one big release like they did with the new custom shop bc and csr ect. there is a balance there but people forget that or think that these fx come up over night for the sake of it. the ios are mostly ports which to my understanding is much easier to do. they are porting pieces of st3 and releasing them to ios. pieces of amplitube and porting to ios. adapting tech they already have and sending it to ios. for all we know st3 could be being rewritten from the ground up. People are making so much out of nothing especially if you are a Sonar user considering that Sonar 64 bit will load the 32 bit version of Sampletank flawlessly. I see people on KVR complaining about 64 bit and I can understand that J bridge sucks and they want something more stable but what's the complaint here? A lot of plug ins haven't seen updates in that amount of time. Sylenth 1 hasn't been updated in 5 years, the korg legacy collection until recently hadn't seen an update in 4 years, dimension pro hasn't seen an update in like 5 years but nobody complains about that and to be honest Dimension Pro needs an update badly. A lot more badly than ST but nobody complains about that. I am trying not to let my inner fanboy shine through but people give IK a lot of crap over 1 product not being updated as much as the public wants it to be. ST 3 will be out when its ready until then enjoy ST2 its a great plug in.
2013/03/15 15:01:13
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
vintagevibe

I keep the original data on an internal 2TB drive.  I have 2 - 2TB external drives for backups which are on their own power strip.  I use Microsoft Sync Toy to keep 2 copies of the internal drive on the external drives.  I set Sync Toy to "echo" and not "sync" since this only copies all changes from the source to the destination drivers and note the other way round.  I also keep Acronis disk images which are backed up with the other data.  Note that these are not file back ups but disk images.

So... if the absolute worst happens and my system drive and all data are gone I just power on my back up drives, run Acronis image restore to the system drive and switch to one of my 2TB external drives for data. 

Next I'm planning to purchase another 2TB drive to use as an offsite backup which I will keep at my brother's house.  When I want to update it I'll just swap it out with one of the drives connected to my PC and run Sync Toy to update it.  This way I'll have a total of 4 version of my data, one of which is at another location.
Thanks. This is great info. I'll switch to disc images. I have meanwhile also started to use 2x 2TB external drives as redundant backups; the idea of storing one in a different place is a good one ... though, if this place burns down I'll have more serious things to worry about than the backup ...

 
2013/03/15 15:07:53
vintagevibe
a) 04-08-2010 was a minor fix and not a feature update.
b) It's not "1 product not being updated as much as the public wants it to be" - its over 30gb of libraries that are useless.
c) Dimension Pro is 64bit and works fine.
d) Many people such as myself have showstopping problems with ST in a 64bit environment.
e) People who have purchased virtually all the ST libraries (such as myself) have every right to be mad since we have been blown off for years.  It's a 64bit world and it is unacceptable to have a major part of my sample librarys to be left at 32bit.  Cheer away for IK if you must but as far as ST is concerned they have created a lot of ill will.  I Cakewalk stopped development on Sonar for this long to develop ios apps you'd be pretty annoyed.
 
2013/03/15 15:10:58
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
xabiton

[...] People are making so much out of nothing especially if you are a Sonar user considering that Sonar 64 bit will load the 32 bit version of Sampletank flawlessly. 
I don't quite agree as I have gone from very stable system to a crappy crashing one within one night. At the end of the session we had a lot of good ideas trapped in a 'corrupt' project. It took me more than a week to track down the problem until I finally realized that the Sonar project is not corrupt, but it's just SampleTron that causing all of it. It just wouldn't handle multiple instances of SampleTron properly (something that I do on a regular basis with other VSTs ... which are of course updated and meanwhile 64 bit!)
 

 
2013/03/15 15:15:43
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
vintagevibe

d) Many people such as myself have showstopping problems with ST in a 64bit environment.
 
 
unfortunately you can put me on that list of people ...
 
e) People who have purchased virtually all the ST libraries (such as myself) have every right to be mad since we have been blown off for years.  It's a 64bit world and it is unacceptable to have a major part of my sample librarys to be left at 32bit.  Cheer away for IK if you must but as far as ST is concerned they have created a lot of ill will.  I Cakewalk stopped development on Sonar for this long to develop ios apps you'd be pretty annoyed. 
very sad but true, cakewalk does a very similar thing: they pretty much stopped developing X2 for control surfaces (apart from some fixes in every 3rd or 4th release version) for the sake of touch screen. they made a lot of high end user really mad ...
 
 
2013/03/15 18:30:03
Guitarpima
I like the comment about iOS being the future. That remains to be seen. Since Jobs' death, Apple has not released anything new and has been repackaging the same thing in different boxes and they're made of ticky tacky. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Apple will go downhill eventually.
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