Guitarpima


I like the comment about iOS being the future. That remains to be seen. Since Jobs' death, Apple has not released anything new and has been repackaging the same thing in different boxes and they're made of ticky tacky. (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Apple will go downhill eventually.

Uh, Steve Job died in 2011..
Since then, they've released a new OS and multiple revisions, they've released the new retina display MacBooks, they've launched a new series of iMac. They're allegedly working on the new Mac Pro and have confirmed being at work on a new version of Logic.

Some things which were introduced shortly before Jobs passed like Thunderbolt, are now standard on Mac.

What else are we expecting? That they poor out products just for the sake of it and re-invent the wheel every 4 months?

I wish Apple doesn't vanish any time soon, not only for my own sake as a Mac user, but for all PC users, because, looking at Windows 8, tablets and Android phone, it's very clear that almost every new trend is set by Apple.  For example, as a Sonar user, you can thank Apple for designing what Cakewalk calls the Skylight interface.  
 
A world w/o Apple would be like, I don't know, Behringer w/o Mackie


People may not be willing to pay the price asked by Apple, they may hate the company for various reason, justified or not, but they still want what Apple develops and has to offer - just not from Apple.

Also notice that, while we can't say for sure about the future, people keep on putting down iOS and Apple, but if we take a step back and take a look at Windows 8, smartphone and tablets, the whole world has gone wacko on tablets and smartphones.

IK also develops for Android. Took longer because of the latency issue IIRC. 

People can hate Apple for starting the trend, but Microsoft and the rest of the guys are all obsessed trying to catch up, and so far, none of them has offered an alternative that could reverse this trend.


From my limited exposure to TV in the last 2 years or so, nothing is as annoyingly trendy as Windows 8 and the Gesture tablet. 

vintagevibe


a) 04-08-2010 was a minor fix and not a feature update.
b) It's not "1 product not being updated as much as the public wants it to be" - its over 30gb of libraries that are useless.
c) Dimension Pro is 64bit and works fine.
d) Many people such as myself have showstopping problems with ST in a 64bit environment.
e) People who have purchased virtually all the ST libraries (such as myself) have every right to be mad since we have been blown off for years.  It's a 64bit world and it is unacceptable to have a major part of my sample librarys to be left at 32bit.  Cheer away for IK if you must but as far as ST is concerned they have created a lot of ill will.  I Cakewalk stopped development on Sonar for this long to develop ios apps you'd be pretty annoyed.

I own everything IK offers on the desktop except for Arc including all of the ST libraries. I am not annoyed at all nor do I have any issues running ST in 64 bit Sonar. I am surprised anyone else does. With Jbridge in Live that's another story but why be mad at IK for the bridge crashing on you and not the creator of the bridge itself? It sounds like the bridge is being faulty for you. And its very different to compare the development of Sonar to the development of Sampletank. A better comparison would be when was the last time you saw a major update to Rapture or Dimension Pro? Those don't annoy me either. 64 bit for some products don't even make a lot of sense unless you have bridge issues and ST is one of those cases. I'd even say Dimension pro is one of those cases. Its not like those products eat up ram . 

FreeFlyBertl

xabiton

[...] People are making so much out of nothing especially if you are a Sonar user considering that Sonar 64 bit will load the 32 bit version of Sampletank flawlessly. 

I don't quite agree as I have gone from very stable system to a crappy crashing one within one night. At the end of the session we had a lot of good ideas trapped in a 'corrupt' project. It took me more than a week to track down the problem until I finally realized that the Sonar project is not corrupt, but it's just SampleTron that causing all of it. It just wouldn't handle multiple instances of SampleTron properly (something that I do on a regular basis with other VSTs ... which are of course updated and meanwhile 64 bit!)
 

 

I haven't had a single Sampletank related crash on my system with running Sonar's bridge and ST2. This is odd and the first time I have ever heard of this. Still though its 32 bit software meant to be run in 32 bit. I still think rushing them to put out 64 bit is only going to cause individuals frusteration because IK has already said they are just going to release it with ST3.

Rain


Also notice that, while we can't say for sure about the future, people keep on putting down iOS and Apple, but if we take a step back and take a look at Windows 8, smartphone and tablets, the whole world has gone wacko on tablets and smartphones.

IK also develops for Android. Took longer because of the latency issue IIRC. 

People can hate Apple for starting the trend, but Microsoft and the rest of the guys are all obsessed trying to catch up, and so far, none of them has offered an alternative that could reverse this trend.


From my limited exposure to TV in the last 2 years or so, nothing is as annoyingly trendy as Windows 8 and the Gesture tablet. 

Calm down. Where in there did I say I hate Apple? When I say, "it remains to be seen", it means that Apple almost went under in the 90s when Jobs was gone. He came back and Apple came back.
 
They may have had a few "new" products out now but they are still just small improvements on the same tech. The retinal display was probably concieved while Jobs was still around and it took a while to perfect it. I don't know for sure but the fact remains, "it remains to be seen."

I've been in the computer business since long before personal computers existed, so I've seen a lot of trends/fads/next-big-things come and go. iOS may indeed morph into something over time, and will remain popular with texters and game-players in the meantime, but it's much too limited a platform for any serious computing. When I see Photoshop, Vegas and AutoCad ported over and taking marketshare, then I may re-evaluate my dismissal of iOS.

bitflipper


I've been in the computer business since long before personal computers existed, so I've seen a lot of trends/fads/next-big-things come and go. iOS may indeed morph into something over time, and will remain popular with texters and game-players in the meantime, but it's much too limited a platform for any serious computing. When I see Photoshop, Vegas and AutoCad ported over and taking marketshare, then I may re-evaluate my dismissal of iOS.

I think it has more to do with exposure. We live in an era where as long as you can kind of do something you will run with it in computing. Right now iOS is limited sure but think 10 years from now. It will be a very powerful platform. Many people are not buying new computers and simply use their phonse for their computing needs these days unless you have a real need for a computer. I believe that in 5 to 10 years we will see some kid making hit records on his mom's iphone. Look at the mobile market for music production. People want to go mobile and what is more mobile than a cell phone or a tablet? I was at a wedding a year ago where the dj did a full set from his iphone and probably used irig mix too i didn't see the mixer but it just goes to show where the world is going to. Will it kill off desktop production? only if you want it to. but if you are a kid who has only been exposed to an ipad for music making you will make it work. 

ios is an option certainly not the future ;)

bitflipper


I've been in the computer business since long before personal computers existed, so I've seen a lot of trends/fads/next-big-things come and go. iOS may indeed morph into something over time, and will remain popular with texters and game-players in the meantime, but it's much too limited a platform for any serious computing. When I see Photoshop, Vegas and AutoCad ported over and taking marketshare, then I may re-evaluate my dismissal of iOS.

Mobile is already entrenched in business markets.  For the applications it excels at (which happen to be serious business apps not requiring serious computing power), it is not going away.  If iOS goes away it will be at the hands of Android or Windows.


The applications you mentioned would never work on tablets anyway.  You need way too much screen space to do anything on the current batch of iOS devices.  Even if you could retrofit them with Mind-like processing power, the form factor would still slow you down.

As for iOS apps for music, I wouldn't mind turning my phone into a headphone amp for my guitar,  and playing a synth Animoog on my wife's iPad (which her company subsidized for her job) is vaguely entertaining,  but running a DAW on a tablet would be a bit cramped.  

Guitarpima

Rain


Also notice that, while we can't say for sure about the future, people keep on putting down iOS and Apple, but if we take a step back and take a look at Windows 8, smartphone and tablets, the whole world has gone wacko on tablets and smartphones.

IK also develops for Android. Took longer because of the latency issue IIRC. 

People can hate Apple for starting the trend, but Microsoft and the rest of the guys are all obsessed trying to catch up, and so far, none of them has offered an alternative that could reverse this trend.


From my limited exposure to TV in the last 2 years or so, nothing is as annoyingly trendy as Windows 8 and the Gesture tablet. 

Calm down. Where in there did I say I hate Apple? When I say, "it remains to be seen", it means that Apple almost went under in the 90s when Jobs was gone. He came back and Apple came back.
 
They may have had a few "new" products out now but they are still just small improvements on the same tech. The retinal display was probably concieved while Jobs was still around and it took a while to perfect it. I don't know for sure but the fact remains, "it remains to be seen."

I am calm. :) And didn't mean to imply that you personally hated Apple. Sorry if it sounded like that.


I do however see that much of what's being said about Apple is rarely rational. That goes for both fanboys and haters, and even people who don't care that much.
Yes, Retina display was already being developed while Job was still around. And the concept was further improved upon and recently made its way into laptops.

Were they going to give up on a promising idea just so it doesn't look like they're out of new ideas? 

And following that rational, if it took them years to bring it to completion, isn't it only normal that what they are currently developing would only be coming some time in the future? In other words, how is the fact that they currently release technologies that they've worked on for a couple of years a proof that they have no new ideas?

Computers, laptops, tablets and phones - whatever Apple releases is likely to be a variation of one of those, anyway.

Notice that personally, I don't care much for iOS at this time. And unless the entire paradigm of how we record and mix changes, we will need traditional computers.

But, what if, say, voice recognition evolves like mad and we suddenly don't need to click and push onscreen buttons, and such? (I'm just picking any random example, however little sense it makes). DAWs and the way our music is presented to us, as clips on a timeline, w/ channel strips and all - none of that is necessarily the last step in the evolution of recording.

Rain

Guitarpima

Rain


Also notice that, while we can't say for sure about the future, people keep on putting down iOS and Apple, but if we take a step back and take a look at Windows 8, smartphone and tablets, the whole world has gone wacko on tablets and smartphones.

IK also develops for Android. Took longer because of the latency issue IIRC. 

People can hate Apple for starting the trend, but Microsoft and the rest of the guys are all obsessed trying to catch up, and so far, none of them has offered an alternative that could reverse this trend.


From my limited exposure to TV in the last 2 years or so, nothing is as annoyingly trendy as Windows 8 and the Gesture tablet. 

Calm down. Where in there did I say I hate Apple? When I say, "it remains to be seen", it means that Apple almost went under in the 90s when Jobs was gone. He came back and Apple came back.

They may have had a few "new" products out now but they are still just small improvements on the same tech. The retinal display was probably concieved while Jobs was still around and it took a while to perfect it. I don't know for sure but the fact remains, "it remains to be seen."

I am calm. :) And didn't mean to imply that you personally hated Apple. Sorry if it sounded like that.


I do however see that much of what's being said about Apple is rarely rational. That goes for both fanboys and haters, and even people who don't care that much.
Yes, Retina display was already being developed while Job was still around. And the concept was further improved upon and recently made its way into laptops.

Were they going to give up on a promising idea just so it doesn't look like they're out of new ideas? 

And following that rational, if it took them years to bring it to completion, isn't it only normal that what they are currently developing would only be coming some time in the future? In other words, how is the fact that they currently release technologies that they've worked on for a couple of years a proof that they have no new ideas?

Computers, laptops, tablets and phones - whatever Apple releases is likely to be a variation of one of those, anyway.

Notice that personally, I don't care much for iOS at this time. And unless the entire paradigm of how we record and mix changes, we will need traditional computers.

But, what if, say, voice recognition evolves like mad and we suddenly don't need to click and push onscreen buttons, and such? (I'm just picking any random example, however little sense it makes). DAWs and the way our music is presented to us, as clips on a timeline, w/ channel strips and all - none of that is necessarily the last step in the evolution of recording.

Voice recognition. I think this is going to be the biggest advancment to come next. I don't think it will happen until 128bit computing though. That and cars that drive themselves are what I hope to see before I go on daisy patrol.