2013/07/29 09:36:04
spacey
I've read about peoples views about PC's and Mac's.
 
I've been told what makes them different but I don't know.
 
I read what people say about incompatabilty with different parts for PC and read
about Macs not being "customizable" and Apple programs for them.
 
Then I wonder...If there are only a couple of major PC manufacturers that sell more computers than I can imagine and they don't offer that many models then why is it that the software for them doesn't get along with them?
When it doesn't the recommendation is that a specialist can find out why...well then, does that mean that the ones that wrote the software didn't? Does it really mean that they didn't test it using the makes of the most popular selling computers?
 
It just seems strange to me based on the little bit I may know...and it could be wrong...maybe Dell and HP aren't so big. Maybe the couple of processor and video card makers aren't so big. Just not much of it making sense at all to me.
 
I read it all has bugs. Does that mean it just can't be done right?
 
 
thought I'd add...there are only 3 forums I visit. 2 of them are people sharing creative works and ideas- 1 is for
people having trouble and asking for help.
Using software and computers is the only thing that is in my life that has a forum for trying to get what they paid for working.
 
2013/07/29 10:40:51
Mesh
IMHO, people just aren't perfect and whenever they make something (no matter how simple or fancy it is), there's always going to some imperfection in it. So, more than likely, we'll always have something wrong with any given product.....the software/hardware world is a prime example. Whe you look at all the hands that get involved in this process, it's obvious that many don't see eye to eye.
 
Fortunately (or unfortunately), my pea brain doesn't/isn't capable of doing a lot of complicated/advanced things when I'm on a computer, so I've just managed to get the majority of things I need to get done and just workaround the things I can't. I've also been fortunate in not having an incompatible system that just puts a complete stop to my work, but then again, I guess it's better to be lucky than good :).........YMMV.     
2013/07/29 10:44:32
spacey
Can you name me something else in your house that you have purchased that you spend time on a forum that is there for people to sort out what's wrong and they can fix it?
 
I can name one thing in my house that I joined a forum to help me resolve issues and that was in 2004 and today I'm still here and people are dealing with the same issues.
 
Just one Mesh?
2013/07/29 11:24:26
Mesh
spacey
Can you name me something else in your house that you have purchased that you spend time on a forum that is there for people to sort out what's wrong and they can fix it?
 
I can name one thing in my house that I joined a forum to help me resolve issues and that was in 2004 and today I'm still here and people are dealing with the same issues.
 
Just one Mesh?


Oh let me see now.....yes.................Cakewalk. :)
Actually, I read a lot forums when researching for my new build, but my regular home is right here.
 
I joined this forum in 2009 because I was a complete newbie in recording and came here to learn just the basics (and still do). To be honest though, I hardly go upstairs for help and prefer being in the CH (the atmosphere is much more pleasant). Most of the issues that I've encountered with Sonar, I've been lucky in finding a solution or a workaround and really haven't had any serious issues. I always worry a bit when reading some of the more serious issues people are have when you can't even just get it working......that would def. be a deal breaker for me (especially after spending a lot of money in building a machine just to host Sonar). I know you're experiencing this and I always wonder what would I do??.......I don't know.......(I know my wife just won't be happy if I went for another build and my priorities are my family first.......my music is somewhere down the line).   
 
2013/07/29 11:36:37
spacey
Mesh...I wasn't putting one name on it...
 
I'll ask again, (respectfully) can you name me one more thing in your house that you bought to use and that you have to join a forum to get help because it doesn't work?
 
I have one thing in mine...computers. Nothing else.
It is the one thing that doesn't work. It is always in need of me trying to fix or update it. It is a time sucking piece of ****.
If I do manage to get it lined out after countless hours I know that it won't be many hours and I'll be back to dealing with it's problems.
 
It is without doubt the most expensive, time sucking piece of **** that has ever been made and it's in a class all by itself.
 
The people that make them, sell parts for them and write software for them have to know this and have to constantly be on top of keeping things changing because if not for "changes" people would dump it in the trash quicker than a cat licks its ass.
2013/07/29 11:51:42
Mesh
Absolutely!!! (Duh that just flew over my pea brain......). Computers do take a lot of my time, but at the same time, I personally don't mind the challenge of finding a solution to fix it.......I also do get a little satisfaction in doing this. I suppose if we really want to use it bad enough, we will have to put up with it's problems.   
2013/07/29 12:30:49
drewfx1
There are too many cooks in the computer world, imperfect standards (and accompanying documentation), great complexity, too many changes, and the somewhat unique possibility that a small problem can mess up everything - if your car has a minor noise coming from, say, an interior vent, it doesn't crash the whole car.
 
And all kinds of SW gets installed, including lots of stuff that goes under the casual user's radar - stuff that even if it's well intended might cause problems. And sometimes the bigger, household names (like the ones you mentioned) insist on installing layers of their own crap to try and make things "better", "easier" or somehow "add value" and those of us who are more closely involved with computers tend to avoid that stuff like the plague.
 
There are also business related problems - too few programmers are often asked to do too much in too little time and stuff is sent out the door too soon with too little testing.  Then resources are torn between the next revenue-creating-release vs. fixing the current release (which doesn't pull in any new revenue, at least in the short term). Prioritizing things is difficult: Which bugs should get fixed first, minor easy-to-fix stuff or more serious but more time consuming, harder to fix stuff? And when some bugs fall into the category of very serious, but only affecting a small number of users, how do you prioritize those?
 
Unfortunately, all of these factors collude to make life difficult. For those of us more versed in computer stuff, we are very careful in what HW we buy and then guard our systems carefully from unnecessary SW in order to try and minimize, but not eliminate, problems. But this gets beyond the average user's scope very quickly.
 
Sadly, I don't have a better answer for you.
2013/07/29 12:55:00
gswitz
Back when cars were new, having pro divers and mechanics was common. Now, I only go online to figure out how to replace a headlight bulb.

I look forward to the day that the same is true for Daws.

You do have to option of buying an all in one system to reduce complexity and risk. You know, the all in one recording units or pre built Daws.

I think software and computer manufacturers agree that there is plenty of room for improvement.

Nothing else in my house is anything like my daw for work effort to get it to operate properly.
2013/07/29 13:08:22
Mesh
drewfx1
There are too many cooks in the computer world, imperfect standards (and accompanying documentation), great complexity, too many changes, and the somewhat unique possibility that a small problem can mess up everything - if your car has a minor noise coming from, say, an interior vent, it doesn't crash the whole car.
 
And all kinds of SW gets installed, including lots of stuff that goes under the casual user's radar - stuff that even if it's well intended might cause problems. And sometimes the bigger, household names (like the ones you mentioned) insist on installing layers of their own crap to try and make things "better", "easier" or somehow "add value" and those of us who are more closely involved with computers tend to avoid that stuff like the plague.
 
There are also business related problems - too few programmers are often asked to do too much in too little time and stuff is sent out the door too soon with too little testing.  Then resources are torn between the next revenue-creating-release vs. fixing the current release (which doesn't pull in any new revenue, at least in the short term). Prioritizing things is difficult: Which bugs should get fixed first, minor easy-to-fix stuff or more serious but more time consuming, harder to fix stuff? And when some bugs fall into the category of very serious, but only affecting a small number of users, how do you prioritize those?
 
Unfortunately, all of these factors collude to make life difficult. For those of us more versed in computer stuff, we are very careful in what HW we buy and then guard our systems carefully from unnecessary SW in order to try and minimize, but not eliminate, problems. But this gets beyond the average user's scope very quickly.
 
Sadly, I don't have a better answer for you.


Ok................so what's the downside?

 
2013/07/29 13:09:13
spacey
I have had only one solution to the problem. It worked very well.
I'm attempting a different approach but I imagine that my solution will be used again.
 
My reasoning is that after this many years of failures I don't imagine it will be solved
anytime soon or at least in my lifetime and I've grown tired of financing the experiments.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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