2013/07/19 03:12:02
craigb
Let's say you went with Komplete 9 Ultimate and really wanted to use a lot of things.  What PC would you need to get to support that AND Waves Platinum AND Sonar?
 
(For example purposes naturally.  )
2013/07/19 03:16:31
Danny Danzi
Rain
Danny - Did you try placing this guy in your signal chain?
http://wavearts.com/products/plugins/tube/
 
I'd be curious to hear your thoughts about it - you have a much better educated ear for those things than I do.




Hi Rain,
 
Uggh, yes I did quite a while ago. That plug has got to be the worst CPU hog of all time as far as regular VST's go that just do one thing. The sound....well, to me, it's dirty digital distortion....you know, that "digital clipping" sound. It doesn't sound like a tube amp to me. At least not a tube amp I've ever tried. See man, when tubes break up, it's not this sound that digital modelers are showing you today. It's nothing remotely close in my experience. When tubes drive, they saturate to where they enhance a sound and complete it and make it pleasant due to rounding off the high end edges. It's not supposed to sound like digital clipping type distortion.
 
I didn't think the Wave Arts was anything different than the other companies claiming to have cracked the tube sound. I just fired it up while typing this to see if my opinion of it was the same. Yep, I still don't think it's anyting to brag about. However, it DOES have a tube character....it just seems to break up and sound bad. Like for example, the pinch harms I was talking about before...it sounds authentic while doing those, but the actual sound of the plug is bad. Ever turn a channel up too loud in Logic where it clips? That's what this plug sounds like to me when you jump on the gain knob. It only warms things up due to the onboard eq it has....the drive knob is sort of useless as it just gives me a sound that makes me cringe. But used VERY moderately, it does have a tube timbre to it. In a guitar chain or with another guitar VST...it sounds absolutely horrible an your cpu will spike through the roof at 64 buffers. Just my take though bro.
 
-Danny
2013/07/19 03:16:35
ampfixer
Well, I have K9, a smattering of waves plugs and X2a. I know it falls short of the mark but I imagine my system would run everything.
 
If that's what you really want to know. )
2013/07/19 03:20:15
Danny Danzi
By the way...was just trying all my guitar sim plugs...that Peavey Revalver MKIII is pretty sweet Rain. Loads of tube tweaks in it that I never even saw before...whew....I gotta spend some time with this baby. It's really impressive at some things.
2013/07/19 03:21:12
craigb
ampfixer
Well, I have K9, a smattering of waves plugs and X2a. I know it falls short of the mark but I imagine my system would run everything.
 
If that's what you really want to know. )



Well, I guess that will have to do.  Ok, send it on over to me!
 
And, since I'm already here typing again, does Guitar Rig and/or Komplete play well with others like Reason?  Is there another way to gate Guitar Rig without using their gate?
2013/07/19 05:41:38
Wookiee
I like GR5 I use it for many things.
2013/07/19 07:21:48
The Maillard Reaction
 
 
Guitar Rig is one of those programs that requires varying rates of latency compensation management.
Many efx require latency compensation but the requirement remains fixed as you use the app. With Guitar Rig the need seems to change with the patches you use or the efx settings you punch in or automate.
 
I have found that changing patches in Guitar Rig on a loaded project makes my projects timing seem fragile.
 
"Fragile" is that state that you may be able to recognize just before you get to timing problems or worse (think lock up and crash)
 
So, I am very cautious when I fool around with Guitar Rig.
 
It's fun to jam with but it gets sketchy if you try to enjoy all of its features in a fully loaded project.
 
 
best regards,
mike
2013/07/19 07:30:59
spacey
Mike I've used Guitar Rig since 3 and used it for almost every project with Jeff and
never had issues. Isn't it funny how all this stuff seems to work different for folks?
 
All the trouble I had was with Line 6 Ux2- I think that is what it was called- Steve knows lol I sent
it to him. Works fine for some but sucked for me. Weird stuff.
 
2013/07/19 07:45:05
The Maillard Reaction
 
I'm fairly good at spotting "fragile".
 
:-)
 
I think you can easily enjoy an instance of an efx that has the varying delay compensation characteristic without any trouble.
 
I think if you start mix and matching a few other efx (or perhaps a few instances of Guitar Rig) that require the management of varying amounts of latency, and especially if you start folding the mix into buses with sends, that you can see the fragility creep into your experience.
 
It's something I like to keep in mind.
 
all the best,
mike
2013/07/19 08:06:44
spacey
I sure don't know about how computers/programs process stuff like that but
it sounds like Pro Tools does. I know of only one way to find out. I do know that
the demonstration they show of the multi-core processors being used sure looks
like it's using the thing much better than what I'm seeing mine doing.
 
For somebody like me it's much like walking down the midway of a carnaval...I may not
know how they're doing everything but I know it's a carnaval and I'm suppose to be having
fun while they get my cash....and that part has been missing.
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