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2013/07/03 14:51:41
spacey
Moshkiae
spacey
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[Musicians are afraid- well that's ridiculous. People may be afraid of many things and some may really believe that Klingons are real and this thing is one of their weapons...but man..."musicians"? Ridiculous.
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Of all the "artists" I have EVER worked with, on stage, in film, in creative writing, in painting, the only ones that have EVER, given me any flack, were ... you got it ... musicians!
 
I don't know if there is a good reason or not. But they get so defensive ... it's funny, weird, strange ... and will immediately return to the attack mode, when I was not trying to be on the attack mode, but making an example of my experience.
 
I have to say, that it is weird, that a couple of the musicians that I have known that have lots of music out there and their names all over, had no issues when I talked like this, but some folks here do!
 
Look at it, as just another science fiction weird book that you didn't like because it hit all the chords that you don't fancy ... and remember ... I'm not the first and won't be the last!



No. I look at it like this; You don't have a clue what chords I fancy or what I do or don't like.
I did make it clear so you would understand that I don't agree with you and think that with thoughts
you are having that you have issues to deal with.
Of course you can not except that because you've already put every musician into a little imaginary group that you have created. Now if there is anything to be afraid of, that might be it.
2013/07/03 15:58:26
yorolpal
@Mosh
 
First off, that there bit of fluff is an instrument too.  I mean all instruments are, at their base, machines and that, no matter how goofy, is a machine.  In fact, it's a machine in a machine. 
 
Second, if that's the kinda music you've been dreaming of making...you need to layoff ****y foods for awhile.  Maybe take some omeprazole. Cause them ain't dreams...they're nightmares.
 
Two more steps up jack-ass hill.
 
Pffffft.
 
2013/07/03 16:00:55
UbiquitousBubba
IMO, there's a difference between expressing a feeling/idea and skillfully creating a work of art. 
 
Years ago, drummers reacted when some musicians tried to use drum machines to replace humans.  Drummers said, "It's not the same thing!  You're missing out on the artistic feel that only comes from years of experience, hardwon skill and (near)human intelligence!"  In certain styles, it turns out that no artistic flair or skill is required, so a drum machine works perfectly well in that genre.  In other styles, however, no software on the planet can fully replace a highly skilled musician.
 
I don't play guitar.  If I want to record a guitar part, I have a few choices.  I can bring in a guitarist or play the part on a keyboard.  If I play it on a keyboard, I can use some rather cool software to emulate the sound and feel of a guitar, but it will not be a guitar.  I may be able to express my ideas and my feelings through the simulated sound, but it may not have the impact that a real guitarist could bring to the piece.  A musician with extensive experience and skill can do more than just play the part.  They can interpret it, adding their own artistic flair or their signature sound to it.  Without that skill, the part remains a semi-automated attempt to emulate the real thing. 
 
I don't think most musicians react against advances in music technology out of fear.  All the musicians I have ever known react because they know that a certain degree of skill is necessary in order to play with excellence.  The concern is not that someone else is making music without paying their dues.  The concern is that some people are being sold a lie that they can take a shortcut to being musicians. 
 
Let's put this in another context.  Jud is a dancer.  He started when he was very young.  He studied at the finest schools, danced with prestigious companies, and is considered by his peers to be an expert in his chosen styles of dance.  Bo is not a professional dancer.  Bo can do the Robot, though.  Bo is not a stupid person.  He is merely ignorant of dance techniques, mechanics, and styles and does not have the associated body/muscle control because Bo has not invested the time, energy and dedication necessary to learn them.    If Bo attempts to choreograph a routine for Jud, his ideas will not be well received because he is ignorant.  It is not because Bo is stupid, but because he lacks the knowledge and expertise to speak with any authority or competence in this particular area.  I'm not saying this exactly matches the scenario described earlier.  I was just trying to put this into another context in order to promote understanding.
 
Since I am not a guitarist, I would never dream of telling a guitarist how to play.  I respect their craft and their artistry too much to insult them by insisting that I know more in my ignorance than an expert.  I may play them chords on a keyboard or attempt to sing a melody to give them an idea of where I'd like the part to go, but the actual translation of that idea into reality is done by the guitarist and not by me. 
2013/07/03 16:54:21
yorolpal
@Bubba
 
Thanks for tangentially (and plainly) pointing out that there is a difference between being stupid and being ignorant.  So many folks do not seem to understand the definition and usage of the latter term. 
2013/07/03 17:20:15
drewfx1
yorolpal
@Bubba
 
Thanks for tangentially (and plainly) pointing out that there is a difference between being stupid and being ignorant.  So many folks do not seem to understand the definition and usage of the latter term. 




Actually in many cases people know the difference very well. There's a school of thought that one's ignorance actually makes one "superior" as one is not bogged down by all that useless knowledge stuff.
2013/07/03 22:08:37
craigb
All points considered, I still think this will turn out to be iCrap.  I wonder what people will think when the next generations of iPhones don't fit their $800 dinosaur?  Studios want this?  Why?  I didn't hear anything all that impressive on the demos.  Plus that short neck just bugs me.  I've got an Oxygen 8 MIDI controller and even that short scale is annoying.
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