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2013/01/17 15:20:47
Truckermusic
Eddie

Thanks for the reminder of the Dim Pro Lib.
I have not checked every single patch out so I will have to do that.

But I have been Listening to both Lyrical Distortion and the Indiginus Libraries this afternoon. I have to say that I really like the sound of them both. I think what I like of them over the Dim Pro patches is the differrent layers and articulations that can be had. Not something you find in the Dim Pro lib,.... but I will explore tonite when I get home.......

And I promised my self that I would not spend a penny more on PayPal after the holidays!




Like that is going to happen.
Thanks
Clifford
2013/01/17 20:51:59
bitflipper

I thought the toms were boomy.

I thought so, too. Especially the floor tom. But that's kind of the concept, I think. I bet nobody told Bonham his toms were too boomy.



The .nkm provided needs to be setup properly.

I think I've modified most if not all of the instruments/multis I've gotten from him. I presume Kontakt isn't really his forte. Maybe you could send him your corrected nkm and negotiate some kind of trade for it. (If that really works for you, let me know!)

Clifford:if by "classical" guitar you mean nylon, check out the one from Ilya Efimov. It's quite good. Not super cheap, but not awfully expensive either; 99 euros, I think. It's Kontakt. 

For bass, the new Rickenbacker from NI is getting good reviews, although I'm holding out to see what GregJazz (Orange Tree Samples) comes up with. He currently offers three bass libraries (an acoustic and two electrics) and they're all extraordinary. 




(Jeez, what's up with these random fonts I keep getting? Sometimes consecutive sentences are getting formatted into different fonts and/or sizes. This forum software sucks, in case no one's noticed yet ;)


2013/01/18 08:13:19
Truckermusic
bitflipper


Clifford:if by "classical" guitar you mean nylon, check out the one from Ilya Efimov. It's quite good. Not super cheap, but not awfully expensive either; 99 euros, I think. It's Kontakt. 

For bass, the new Rickenbacker from NI is getting good reviews, although I'm holding out to see what GregJazz (Orange Tree Samples) comes up with. He currently offers three bass libraries (an acoustic and two electrics) and they're all extraordinary. 




Bit
Yes, by classical I do mean Nylon string instrument...........My degrees are in "Classical" Guitar so naturally I gravatate to that......Since I got paid this morning the Lyric Distortion Cedar Guitar, Ripper Direct and the Jazz bass are now MINE! Yippie..............but I will check out the Ilya Efimov site as you suggest....
 
Thanks so much for the info
Clifford
2013/01/18 08:28:46
Glyn Barnes
Truckermusic


But I have been Listening to both Lyrical Distortion and the Indiginus Libraries this afternoon. I have to say that I really like the sound of them both. !


Its as much about the control as the sound. The big difference between Indiginus and Lyrical Distortion is Indiginus has a strum engine which makes it a lot easier to get a convincing playing style. I prefer to strum manually using the Strum Master Live function to using the built in strum sequencer.
 
Orange Tree has some of the best guitar libraries but they are considerably more expensive. Music Lab's "Real" Strat, Les Paul and Acoustic are also very good, but not cheap.
 
For distorted sounds I prefer to put a clean sound through an amp sim rather that use distorted samples.
 
2013/01/18 08:37:03
Glyn Barnes
bitflipper


This is from Wavesfactory, famous for small, inexpensive but useful Kontakt sample libraries. I have several of them myself and will likely add this one as well (it's only $13). It's called "Classic Rock Drums", and it's a kit once played onstage by Bonzo himself. It doesn't get any more authentic than that!

And if you're into an earlier 60's Ringo-vibe, be sure to also check out the Tea Towel Drum kit while you're there. Also 10 euros ($13.62). Just throw on some heavy compression for the overheads and you're in 1965.


I like there stuff and you can't fault the prices. But I have just ordered a new DAW so I won't be jumping on this one straight away.
2013/01/18 15:06:22
Truckermusic
Glyn Barnes


Truckermusic


But I have been Listening to both Lyrical Distortion and the Indiginus Libraries this afternoon. I have to say that I really like the sound of them both. !


Its as much about the control as the sound. The big difference between Indiginus and Lyrical Distortion is Indiginus has a strum engine which makes it a lot easier to get a convincing playing style. I prefer to strum manually using the Strum Master Live function to using the built in strum sequencer.
 
Orange Tree has some of the best guitar libraries but they are considerably more expensive. Music Lab's "Real" Strat, Les Paul and Acoustic are also very good, but not cheap.
 
For distorted sounds I prefer to put a clean sound through an amp sim rather that use distorted samples.
 
I absoulutely agree about it being about control.
I tried to say that to Eddie about the Dimpro samples but I guess I was not clear enough.
The DimPro samples do sound good but they are limited.....but are very useable.....
 
I did not know that about the strum Master Live function...I really do like the Indiginus Lib....for their acoustic guitar sound much better so I will have to try that Live function....I think it could be of great value....
 
I agree with the Orange Tree Libs....as well...nice but at a cost....but I have seen them on sale before so they can be had cheaper if one is willing to wait for the sale.....
 
I have not tried the others so I have no take on them.....
 
But thank you for your thoughts on everything.....well worth considering......
 
Too bit.
 
Sorry about hijacking the thread......did not mean too .... really.....but I am now just realizing that I truley do need some guitar (bass, and 6 string) additions......and everyone here has been kind enough to offer additional suggestions......
 
But I still apoligize a thousand times sir......
 
Clifford
2013/01/18 23:11:39
bitflipper
No apology needed. That's the nature of any good conversation: you never know what direction it might take.

Regarding libraries with limited applications...I have a boatload of libraries that are very limited in their scope and versatility - but I actually use them regularly. 

I have, for example, Wavesfactory's StrumGTR Acoustic. It's just a collection of basic strums: major and minor chords, up- and down-strokes. That's it. It only works in medium-tempo songs that don't have any suspended chords or finger-picking. But when it works, it works just fine. I can throw in some acoustic guitar rhythm in less time than it takes to get out a microphone and tune my acoustic guitar. For $13 it was a nice addition to my collection.

I've also bought individual drum samples. For example, I have a really nice snare drum that's perfect for a certain type of song but not much else. I think I paid $4 for it. It'll never be my go-to snare drum, but sometimes it's the perfect fit.

I have a bunch of other one-trick ponies. A carillion - talk about limited applications! Love it, though. A glass marimba - still haven't found a use but it sounds cool. Toy pianos, wine glasses, kitchen utensils, dumpster sounds, backward guitars, and lots of spacey pads.

Don't write off a sound source just because it's limited!
2013/01/18 23:52:48
Glyn Barnes
bitflipper


I have, for example, Wavesfactory's StrumGTR Acoustic. It's just a collection of basic strums: major and minor chords, up- and down-strokes. That's it. It only works in medium-tempo songs that don't have any suspended chords or finger-picking. But when it works, it works just fine. !
A big plus +1 for StrumGTR Acoustic, limited for sure but very useful in the right context.

2013/01/19 08:29:37
The Maillard Reaction


I've got Jim R's fantastic kit Purrfect Drums Jet City kit for Kontakt and it's fantastic.

I've got the Ocean Way stuff that uses the infinite player. It's so good that I only installed half of them.

I quickly figured out that I wanted to use the drums rather than select the drums and so I have never actually installed over half the Ocean Way drums I purchased and I haven't had a day where I thought I should bother. 



Managing sample library assets is way to much work compared to making music.

Now that Kontakt has some good drums kits I'd probably never use the Ocean Way stuff I bought if I had what comes with Kontakt now, then.




best regards,
mike
 
2013/01/22 08:52:49
Truckermusic
bitflipper


No apology needed. That's the nature of any good conversation: you never know what direction it might take.

 
Bit
thanks....and yes you are correct. with any good conversation comes additional idea's...
 
 
Now for a really stupid quesiton and it is a bit off topic as well......but I thought I already knew the answer......But NO!  DUH!
 
This is my first time I've tried to install a 3rd party Library into Kontakt....I have a seperate drive for my libraries so I knew that I would need to take the unzipped Lyric Distortion file and manually copy it into my Kontakt library file. Which I did.....I already know that I cannot directly call it up like other KOntakt libraries. I need to use my file tree to locate it and then drag it over (or dbl click)......
 
and this is where it does not work for me. I see the Lyric Dist. file but when I click on it to open I do not see anything listed so there is nothing to drag and drop....
 
I know that I am doing something wrong.....I was hoping you ( or someone else more knowledgeable then myself) could help me out please.
 
Thanks
Clifford
 
(again off topic, but maybe this could help others as well)
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