2014/12/30 11:34:08
bapu
Remember, my laptop is a DAW built by a DAW maker to run as a DAW.
2014/12/30 11:36:53
Mesh
bapu
Remember, my laptop is a DAW built by a DAW maker to run as a DAW.


That's a lot of DAW you got there!!
(see what eye did there)
 
2014/12/30 11:45:08
bapu
It's a WAD or DAW?
(it's got your back coming and going)
2014/12/30 15:58:49
mettelus
gbowling
Do you know how the fans are controlled if the AI suite is removed?



This is actually a very good question and I have no idea of the answer. The AI Suite II taps into all of the sensors on the MB, and without running it, I am not sure of how else to monitor it. The suite seems to be a software tap into the BIOS, so I am "assuming" the BIOS settings take over with the Suite offline.
 
A couple other things that came to mind with this Suite. The "black box" on the second monitor also disappears when opening the Suite from the taskbar (so I typically just open/close it). The only time the Suite has crashed is a few times during boot (no idea why), and I didn't specifically reload it (and saw no issues with it not running). I haven't had it cause any performance issues during normal operation (although its graphics counterpart "ASUS GPU Tweak" most certainly does, which I have disabled and only run when I want to monitor the GPU).
 
 
2015/01/02 07:23:19
johnkeel
If you can get bapu laptop DO IT!
Its a monster, nothing tops it, and you can upgrade it to the most powerful XEON CPU.
It runs super low latency, there's Firewire 800 by Texas Instruments, up to 32GB Ram, room for 4 Hard drives and Two graphic cards (not for audio but if you game also haha).
2015/01/02 10:36:52
gbowling
Not sure why? 
 
Here are some comparisons.
 
The ADK computer has an i7 960 benchmarks around 5935, the ASUS has an i7 4710 which benchmarks around 7971.
 
The ADK has 3 750g drives, the asus has 256g ssd + a 1 tb 7200 drive.
 
The ADK has 6 gig of 1333mhz ram, the asus has 16gig of 1600mhz ram
 
The ADK has a gtx 560 nvidia with 1.5g ram, the asus has a 970 nvidia with 3gig ram.
 
The ADK is 3 years old used laptop, the asus is new with new warranty. 
 
The asus costs $209 more.
 
True is has a firewire, a nice road case, and an audio interface. But I have an RME UFX usb interface (so I don't need firewire), and I don't need a road case. 
 
Seems like a no brainer to me
 
gbow
2015/01/02 11:14:05
johnkeel
gbowling
Not sure why? 
 
Here are some comparisons.
 
The ADK computer has an i7 960 benchmarks around 5935, the ASUS has an i7 4710 which benchmarks around 7971.
 
The ADK has 3 750g drives, the asus has 256g ssd + a 1 tb 7200 drive.
 
The ADK has 6 gig of 1333mhz ram, the asus has 16gig of 1600mhz ram
 
The ADK has a gtx 560 nvidia with 1.5g ram, the asus has a 970 nvidia with 3gig ram.
 
The ADK is 3 years old used laptop, the asus is new with new warranty. 
 
The asus costs $209 more.
 
True is has a firewire, a nice road case, and an audio interface. But I have an RME UFX usb interface (so I don't need firewire), and I don't need a road case. 
 
Seems like a no brainer to me
 
gbow




 
OHHHH wait, my bad.
Looking at that config, i think the ADK is a old model, based on CLEVO X7200 and not actually a P570WM like mine.
What i did was opening the ADK page: http://www.adkproaudio.com/systems/viewsystem.cfm?recordid=118
which is actually a ADK 9000x based on the new P570WM...
 
And i based my opinion in the base config, which is a killer:
i7 4930K - desktop cpu - monster benchmarks
16GB RAM
NVIDIA QUADRO K5100 -> this card alone cost almost the same as that ASUS lol
That would be a VIDEO Edition laptop not actually, overkill for audio with that graphic card.
 
The current price for the P570WM barebones (laptop with no CPU, memory or HDD) is around 1600€ with low end GTX graphic card, so looking at his used price it did look like a great deal, which still kinda is, even if it's for the old X7200, but not THAT amazing as it looked to me.
 
Im very sorry if my comment was misleading. It was not my intention, the thing is i have always been a fan of this series of laptops (CLEVO barebones with Desktop CPU) and i use them for ages.
 
So yes, unless he makes you a really amazing price and your ok with updating the laptop that is not a great of a deal comparing with the Asus.
Also, where are you? Are you in Europe or States?
If you are in the states take a look at SAGER or XOTIC laptops, there is a CLEVO P170SMA which you can build for more power and less money than that ASUS.
There's also a new aluminium chassis unit, the P650SE or P670SE (one is 15" the other is 17") they give more power for the buck.
2015/01/02 11:21:02
bapu
I've dropped my price to $1150 based on gbow's analysis.
2015/01/02 11:59:17
gbowling
Thanks johnkeel, no problems and bapu I hope you didn't take my comments the wrong way. To be sure that machine was a beast when you purchased an not a bad deal with your price drop. However, I'm wanting something a bit more but still want to keep my price around $2k US.
 
I'm in the states and will look at both the current ADK models and the SAGER/XOTIC  offerings.
 
I'm now looking at the asus g751-DH71 instead of the DH72. The only difference being the 71 doesn't have an SSHD. However it's $300 cheaper ($1479) and I can add a 1tb sshd for around $300. I can also add 16gb of mem for another $150. 
 
So, for around $1950 or so I can get the same machine with 32gig ram, 1tb sshd + 1tb 7200 rpm. It still has the I7 4710, the 970 graphics, etc. 
 
From my work on sonar x3e I think I can use more ram and fast hard drive, and not necessarily as much of a bind with processor. I don't really think sonar pushes the graphics all that much, which is why I'm looking at the "JT" series of the g751 instead of the "JY" series. The JY series has the 980 graphics but is another $400+ for the machine.
 
Going up to a bigger processor like the i7 4930 is a big price jump. 
 
The big ADK would be awesome, but that's another $1k or so which is a bit over my budget.
 
Thanks for all the help and pointers, now to go look at the sager's and xotic's to see how they compare. I'm sure pretty well as the gaming space is very competitive. The reason for my choice of the asus over the MSI's, Lenovo's, etc. are cooling and quiet. The ASUS's seem to offer better cooling and run a bit quieter. The downside to the ASUS's vs those other models is the internal sound isn't as good on the ASUS, but since I'm not going to use the internal sound anyway it doesn't affect (or is it effect?) me. I'm pretty sure my RME Fireface UFX is going to sound pretty good!
 
Also, I'm probably going to wait until after  CES 2015 which is jan 5-9 or something like that. Since they will introduce new stuff during the show, these prices may drop a bit in a couple of weeks or I can get something even bigger for the same money.
 
gbow
2015/01/02 12:10:19
johnkeel
Just a quick tip:
 
Current laptops use Switchable graphics, when you are not gaming it wont use the dedicated graphic (NVIDIA or AMD) it will use the integrated graphics (CPU chip - probably Intel HD 4600), now you will notice that if you let the NVIDIA activate it will make DPC spikes, so i would NEVER use the dedicated graphics for AUDIO, because A) you dont need it B) if you let it switch on and off while editing you might get really bad spikes.
So dont spend money with a good dedicated graphic card for audio, you dont need it. If you also want to game, just be sure to keep NVIDIA off during audio (easy to do in the settings).
 
Also if you manage to get a laptop without switchable graphics (like mine - P570WM) if you test both NVIDIA and AMD cards you will find something really strange, current NVIDIA hardware/drivers spike at around 600DPC with some regularity, even gamers been complaining about this on desktops. AMD cards = no DPC, my highest DPC value (around 90) is my Audio Card, cant get much better, in a ideal system nothing you dont want to go over 100DPC and you dont want anything causing more DPC than the Audio Card itself.
 
So If you go for a switchable graphics, forget about the dedicated card, that should be turned off during AUDIO, the INTEL HD is enough.
If you go for NON-switchable graphics as for AMD.
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