2015/01/02 12:17:41
The Maillard Reaction
How about power savings interruptions on a brand name rig?
2015/01/02 12:27:35
gbowling
Thanks johnkeel, DPC is one of my concerns with these off the shelf gaming pc's. I'll have to check to make sure the ASUS model allows you to switch it off. Since all the graphics on these laptops are internal I'm not sure. 
 
Others have offered that their audio works well with the older ASUS gaming pc's but haven't heard anyone list DPC for any of the g751 models.
 
bapu - I also wanted to say "I feel for you man!" I am typing on an old laptop that was originally an audio laptop, my wife has one, my mother has one, and two of my friends have them. 
 
All of them were "big machines" in their day that I wasn't able to sell after 3+ years. Turned them into basic "web surfing" machines for friends and relatives just to recycle them. It's very hard to get anything for old computers, especially laptops. The price drops and performance increases of these machines has been incredible.
 
gbow
2015/01/02 12:28:21
johnkeel
mike_mccue
How about power savings interruptions on a brand name rig?




Powersaving both Windows and System BIOS can be troublesome, you can only do as much in Windows, sometimes no matter what you mod in windows you wont get rid of it. The solution is custom BIOS with locked values/states/etc.
So A) try it out, B)buy a system from a DAW builder or a dealer who understands your needs and can mod the system for you.
2015/01/02 12:43:48
The Maillard Reaction
My best laptop DAW was an old P4 power hungry monster. It had an extremely low and very stable DPC measurement. My last two "gaming" laptops have proven unsuitable for reliable field recording, so I drag an old desktop around... it's not really a big deal because I also drag around two racks with the preamps and 4U of ADA interface.
 
My newer "gaming" laptops have amazing battery life. They work great for Photoshop when I go day hiking and car camping in the National Parks.
2015/01/02 13:38:34
bapu
gbowling
bapu - I also wanted to say "I feel for you man!" I am typing on an old laptop that was originally an audio laptop, my wife has one, my mother has one, and two of my friends have them. 
 
All of them were "big machines" in their day that I wasn't able to sell after 3+ years. Turned them into basic "web surfing" machines for friends and relatives just to recycle them. It's very hard to get anything for old computers, especially laptops. The price drops and performance increases of these machines has been incredible.
 
gbow


The good thing is I am not desperate. Just found I did not need a mobile unit and keeping two machines updated was becoming unfun.
 
Based on specs of the machine you noted my lappy is probably going to relegated to a relative (like you). Besides, this thing is not really a laptop because of the weight alone, It's nearly as heavy as a desktop (hence the SBK travel case with extended handle and wheels )
2015/01/02 14:36:58
gbowling
Well I had never been to the sager site and configured a laptop. Looks like they may have some offerings I can customize that might wind up a better choice than the ASUS. I'll update here as to what I find. 
 
One thing, they have so many similar base models, it's difficult to figure out which one to best configure for our purposes. I don't game, so video performance isn't very important. I'm pretty much trying to optimize for sonar x3e and beyond.
 
gbow
2015/01/02 14:43:00
The Maillard Reaction
I don't "game" either, it seems to me that it is unfortunate that a high powered general purpose is marketed primarily to "gamers", rather than digital power users in general, because some obvious details get overlooked while the gaming bullet points are being prioritized.
2015/01/02 15:05:57
gbowling
hmm, configuring up the sager np8278 it looks like it might be a better design. It looks like I can trade off the 970 graphics card for the 870 (which is no big deal for audio) and what I get is the following.
 
better drive options, even though I would only configure two drives it looks like there are better options for 3 drives.
 
removable battery, not that this is a big deal but it gives you the option to replace it if necessary.
 
USB 2.0 port. The ASUS only has USB 3 ports, the sager has one USB 2 and two USB  3. Most of the audio stuff I use says it's compatible with USB 3 now, but just in case I have problems it's nice to have a USB 2 port.
 
It's not a huge difference, need to read more about the sager. Anyone have any DPC experience with the sager laptops?
 
gbow
2015/01/03 13:56:55
gbowling
In doing more research, I got interested in a comment above about GPUs, switching them off, etc. 
 
First, I found that sonar says they support offloading graphics to a gpu. What that means in x3e, I don't know. There are a number of threads on here about this but seems it's all still a bit of a mystery or at least I haven't found definitive answers.
 
Then there is the question of GPU architecture. Seems nvidia has two offerings, the gtx and the quadro. Of course my interest is in low DPC and sonar support. 
 
I couldn't really find much info as to which architecture would be better for sonar. However, cakewalk does have a section on the computers they use for trade shows, etc. The HP Zbook being the 17 inch laptop, which is cost prohibitive for me. 
 
However, the HP zbook and indeed all the machines cakewalk uses for trade shows use the quadro architecture GPU cards. 
 
The ASUS laptop I was originally interested in, and indeed most of the gaming pc's use the gtx architecture. Also the ADK laptops and most of the other "DAW specific" laptops also use the GTX architecture.
 
The sager models offer an configuration option for either the gtx architecture or the quadro architecture. 
 
So, does it it make a difference? Does one architecture or the other work better with Sonar? Does one architecture or the other offer lower DPC latency?
 
For me, at this point, it seems down to the ASUS G751JT or the Sager NP8278. The configuration of the two will be virtually the same (possibly sans the GPU). Price is pretty much a wash. The ASUS seems to have better cooling and is quieter. The Sager has a USB 2.0 slot, the possibility of the quadro GPU architecture, and better upgradeability (although laptop upgrades tend to be buy another one)
 
gbow
2015/01/03 15:38:41
The Maillard Reaction
I'm generally perplexed when people discuss the idea that an app may offload some graphics processing to a graphics processor. It seems like that is what graphics accelerators were invented for.

On the other hand, off loading general computing tasks to a GPU seems interesting, especially when the tasks are designed to run as parallel processes which modern GPUs are designed to excell at.
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