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2013/06/13 05:46:26
craigb
paulo
yorolpal
Just curious, ol pal...what's spam in this thread?

What craigb said.......nothing at all, just curious that I could if I wanted to in here, yet when I went on to a genuine spam fred the option to report as spam isn't there.
 
57Gregy may well be right, but I'm pretty sure that I was the first viewer of a spam fred a couple of days ago, specifcally to report it, and there was no option to do so.




We might only be able to use this option in the Coffee House forum.  I just reported a spammer in other forum and the option to mark it as spam wasn't there for me either.
2013/06/13 07:05:30
The Maillard Reaction
 
"There seems to be some abstract notion that having a chance to compete with a business that uses going out of business pricing to disrupt and undervalue a market is an opportunity of sorts."
2013/06/13 07:24:27
craigb
mike_mccue
 
"There seems to be some abstract notion that having a chance to compete with a business that uses going out of business pricing to disrupt and undervalue a market is an opportunity of sorts."




Works for Wal-Mart.
2013/06/13 07:42:01
The Maillard Reaction
 
 
 
They sell some pretty shiny guitars too.
 
:-)
2013/06/13 10:41:56
yorolpal
@Danny:  Thank you for the very kind words, ol pal.  I appreciate them greatly.
 
@Mike:  I might be confused but aren't we talking about two (or several) companies of the very same type?  Internet suppliers.  How do you think Sweetwater got where they are...like Wal-Mart they put an awful lot of mom and pops out of business.  If you want to discuss that issue (and me actually being a "mom and pop") I'll be glad to...but I'm not sure what you're getting at as regards my dilemma.  But then I'm a dimbulb.
2013/06/13 11:53:12
The Maillard Reaction
Hi olpal,
 I'm not sure what there is to explain.
 
 We are all at liberty to search out the best prices we can find. I do that all the time.
 
 What I am commenting about is the fact that I have observed, from both sides of the sales counter, that 
 
"There seems to be some abstract notion that having a chance to compete with a business that uses going out of business pricing to disrupt and undervalue a market is an opportunity of sorts."
 
 That idea isn't meant to solve any problems or answer any questions... it is just an observation.
 
 When I was a merchant I learned that as soon as a customer takes you in to the "loosing money just talking to him" part of the ledger that you have to decide if you are going to cut him loose or not.
 
 It's no big deal, and both parties can decide how they want to respond to that circumstance.
 
 For example; I have several friends who own guitars shops and they know I don't shop there. We don't waste a second pretending that we are doing business, but we are still great friends and we speak about guitars and business all the time. I have several suppliers that give me the lowest rock bottom prices, I don't ask them for ANY service and I emphasize that I am ready to BUY if the price is right and all I want them to do is send me the box and not say a word. Like Danny, I discourage the vendors from asking me what the best price I have found is... I want each vendor to decide what they can do and then if it works for me I do it. I have a few suppliers that I count on to treat me like a best friend and I make an effort to remind them that I am happy to pay up charges for their best service.
 
 I try to keep it a win-win, and I use the pricing the vendors put out there as a guide to what each finds acceptable for their own circumstance because as a merchant I learned that most people, even if they are not aware of it, operate as if it is a win-lose system.
 
 I don't like winning, I don't like losing. I like holding hands and making music.
 
 When I was a merchant, I may not have entertained "price shoppers" with enthusiasm but we did maintain a sliding scale of pricing so as to help everyone feel satisfied. Indeed, we would enjoy the graciousness of those who could afford to pay full price and we would also enjoy being able to help the less fortunate with deep discounts, freebies and pats on the back.
 
 That was our privilege.
 
  I was lucky as a merchant, we worked in one of the few businesses that actually requires hands on, real life, service and so, to this day, discount pricing delivers a get what you pay for experience in that business. People get to purchase the level of service they need.
 
 I sincerely feel that vendors that just move sku, (the ones who have to struggle to justify any value they add because it's hard to justify the value of financing inventory in a market that can source product from any where on the entire planet within a few days) are destined to always be pressured out by yet another business that wants to undercut the price.
 
 That is a perfectly natural part of our dog eat dog, shopping as a proxy for hunting and warfare existence.
 
 It is the way it is.
 
 When I say:
 
"There seems to be some abstract notion that having a chance to compete with a business that uses going out of business pricing to disrupt and undervalue a market is an opportunity of sorts."
 
I simply mean to suggest that something can be experienced widely yet not qualify as friendly etiquette.
 
In my personal opinion, I learned to think that my customers who treated me like some sort of adversary just had no idea how we paid our bills, and even more to the point they didn't actually give a flying hoot. They just assumed we had lots of wiggle room.
 
I'm not saying that you are that guy... I am just speaking from a generalized perspective that many people seem to have have not considered.
 
I have learned that some people get so riled up when they put on their shopping war paint that they act like a business can make $110 every time they make a $100 sale. They act like there must be gobs of wiggle room. It doesn't add up... and that's why I said "act", because these postures don't seem to reflect a use of the verb "think".
 
I am not advocating for the idea that any of us should feel obligated to support any particular business. I think that is romantic... but silly.
 
I am merely commenting on the fact that I do not agree with the notion that merely making, or offering to make, a purchase is some sort of friendly gesture. It's only a friendly gesture if it is a win for both parties.
 
The bottom line ends up being the bottom line... it is quantifiable... and in the end it all makes sense.
 
 Anyways...  I guess you think I'm a douche. :-)
 
 At least I feel fresh and clean all over. ;-)
 
 
all the best,
mike
 
 
 
P.S. Have I ever asked you if you know Rick the Printer (Rick Hawkins) from here: http://goo.gl/maps/ftczS
 
 
 
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2013/06/13 12:35:15
craigb
yorolpal
...(and me actually being a "mom and pop") ...



Our 'Ol Pal is both a mom and a pop?  Well, THAT certainly is an interesting relevation!
 
(Just kidding!)
2013/06/13 12:46:09
paulo
craigb
yorolpal
...(and me actually being a "mom and pop") ...



Our 'Ol Pal is both a mom and a pop?  Well, THAT certainly is an interesting relevation!
 
(Just kidding!)



Always thought there was somethin' funny about that big yeller hair do ;)
2013/06/13 17:41:04
yorolpal
@Mike:
Thanks for spelling that out for me.  I do now understand better and I agree with much you said in your above missive.  Like I said, I've run a small business for over 25 years now and I'm well aware of the behavior and vicissitudes of clients of all stripes.  I've had some great relationships for many years...and kicked some (quite literally) out the door.  However,  I think your "notion" mantra comes from a well which isn't as deep as you seem to want to draw from.  In this particular instance whichever internet provider I chose to purchase from would, indeed, make a profit...albeit small...so the ability to garner the sale is a definite plus.  One, they make the "small" profit.  Two, they prevent a competitor from gaining market share.  Afterall, even AD's lowest price is not (in all likelihood) a price point that will "disrupt or undervalue" this particular market else they would be shooting themselves in the foot.  Not that they couldn't be doing that very thing...but I doubt it.  Therefore it is an opportunity of sorts.  Perhaps not a very attractive one but certainly palatable. Also, as someone mentioned above, this sort of well meaning and quixotic "notion" is rather naïve as Wal-Mart and their ilk, like General Jack D.Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, "has already invalidated that policy".  That's a windmill at which one can no longer tilt.  But again, thanks for setting me straight.  Honest.
 
And I've heard it said that white vinegar is the best for getting that really fresh feeling.
 
But I can't stand the smell;-)
 
 
2013/06/13 19:35:48
slartabartfast
Wow. This thread is a total revelation to me. I have never in my life established a "relationship" with a salesperson. Even in the pre-internet days when you could not actually buy anything without interacting with a salesman, I have related to such intermediaries as if we were both cogs in the great commercial machine. I had never even imagined that they would be interested in doing me a favor or vice versa. 
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