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  • I gave 'em a chance, but I'm done with Waves (p.2)
2012/12/12 13:11:45
bapu
That's a bad bead bit. 

I'll admit that I have not had that problem (yet?) but maybe it's because I put my license on a USB stick that ONLY gets moved if I need it on my laptop (my alternate DAW). I also tend to not write to that stick even though there is ample space.

Just curious, which option did you choose? Computer, USB Stick or cloud?
2012/12/12 14:34:23
Jonbouy
pathos


vintagevibe


I have RenBass and Maserati.  I've purposely staid away from them because of stories like this.  I'm thinking I should get cracks for the plugs I own.
people wonder why companies resort to ilok
you're probably anti ilok too 
Waves must have gone anti-ilok as well, probably because it was affecting their bottom line though not through thinking it was a better deal for customers per se.
 
Whilst I don't think vibes solution is necessarily an answer I've seen cracks available whilst searching trying to find out how to get a 'shut down' legitimate version of something I own working while a support line is closed for the weekend.
 
It does make you think that way.  If I've paid for a license why should I be struggling to get something working when there are alternatives out there (I dare say would be legal for me to use as well being as I'm a licensed user) that have all this protection garbage removed?
 
It's only for fear of all the horror stories I read about this pirated stuff eating your children and setting fire to you computer if you download it that has kept me away from trying.
 
The irony being that it's only by being a legitimate user locked out by an overly protective vendor that has ever made me think of looking in that direction.  Maybe if I'd have spent the amount of money that some of the Waves bundles cost it would be tempting enough to cross that line in order to actually get some valid use out of my considerable investment.
 
I know if somebody took $2-3000 off me and I had nothing to show for it I'd know who I'd be calling the pirate, and I wouldn't be offering them extra dollars to join an upgrade plan in order to qualify for support either! 
2012/12/12 14:36:41
DW_Mike
I went with PC.
Now wondering if there's a way to change it to USB.

Can anyone please explain in a 4 year old's terms what the differences are and the plus and minus of them?

thanks.

I hate to admit it but i was hoping that putting them on my iLok was still going to be an option.
I was used to the way that works and it always just worked.

To me, using a USB stick IS similar to the iLok except i'm out of USB ports and my iLok 2 has tons of space on it, not to mention quite a few plugins that i use often.

The least Waves can do is allow me to use the damn iLock.... which by the way i HAD to buy if i wanted to use the SSL 4000 bundle that i fell in love with on a friends DAW.

I say we all give Waves the good ol flip of the bird with a nice letter.
Than just do what loads of others do and just steal the waves products we want.
maybe, just maybe they'll feel the pinch, open up a line of communication and start being a customer based corp that actually cares how their decision making effects those of us who happen to have paid them loads of money for quality products, without hidden WHUP which are basically pay more  fees or lose the product type crap.

Rant over.
Somewhat induced i'm sure by my pain med's but still my feelings.
Waves does make some very nice products but they need to get their act together.

Mike 
2012/12/12 14:47:38
yorolpal
Mine are all on a USB stick on a USB hub...I've got two different hubs and am still almost out of slots.  So far no probs at all with the new WAVES licenses or system. 
2012/12/12 14:57:22
Rain
Linear Phase


the vst plugin thing, "in general," is starting to loose a lot of its luster to me.

A.  Todays DAW plugins, are nearly just as good, and just as good as the ones you can buy.  ( Really the quad curve eq, is like, "one of the best," eq's around.  Ok, well its not an LP eq, but Cakewalk provides that for you anyway in the form of the LP64.

B.  It just seems like, "the plugin market," was a very inexpensive market for a lot of these developers to enter.  They themselves, "for the most part," do not have that much of an investement in the market, and we are really beginning to see, "how detrimental that is," to the end user.

C.  We are starting to see plugins that, "reinvent the wheel," and have no real addition to mixing or mastering music, and really exist to sell themselves.

D.  There is so much out there to buy, and each time you buy something you have to learn it, you are so much better off not buying a thing.

E.  When these companies go bankrupt, and several of them inevitably will, because the market place simply can not have, "200,000," best Eq's ever..   Your plugins become absolutely useless; the combination of copy/anti-piracy protect, and lack of further updates.



Ditto.


When Waves announced REDD recently, I surprised myself seeing how little I care. I should have been all over that thing. But, no...


In fact, whenever I start to fool around w/ a song mix, most of the time I try and stick to the bundled plug-ins as much as I can. And if I use a third party plug-ins, whenever I have a bit of time to experiment, I'll go back and try to substitute w/ my native plugs and match the sound. 


What I find is that in many cases, it's a matter of design and workflow - some plug-ins will kind of push you into a certain direction, because of their limitations and particularities, which means that you may get certain results quicker. And for people like me, starting w/ a bunch of restrictions can be a good thing. But if I knew in the first place that that particular sound would work for the song, and how to get it, I'm pretty sure that I could do it w/ my bundled plug-ins in the first place. 


I guess that's where experience comes to the rescue. Which is why I like to go back and try to match settings w/ my bundled plug-ins - I'm learning how to make them do what I want. But of course, this can only happen when you can figure out what might work in the first place. That's the toughest part.

In my case, that's particularly true w/ EQs. For compression, I did my homework, and I can get what I want out of Logic's compressor 99% of the time, for everything, from opto type of comp on bass to vca-type mix buss compression.


2012/12/12 15:10:01
vintagevibe
pathos


vintagevibe


I have RenBass and Maserati.  I've purposely staid away from them because of stories like this.  I'm thinking I should get cracks for the plugs I own.
people wonder why companies resort to ilok
you're probably anti ilok too 

I have an iLok and have had no trouble with it.  If I couldn't use the software I paid for I would get a crack.  Apparently you would be OK not being able to use what you purchased.  You would just do without it as a protest against piracy.  Very noble but not very smart.
2012/12/12 15:22:13
pathos
vintagevibe


pathos


vintagevibe


I have RenBass and Maserati.  I've purposely staid away from them because of stories like this.  I'm thinking I should get cracks for the plugs I own.
people wonder why companies resort to ilok
you're probably anti ilok too 

I have an iLok and have had no trouble with it.  If I couldn't use the software I paid for I would get a crack.  Apparently you would be OK not being able to use what you purchased.  You would just do without it as a protest against piracy.  Very noble but not very smart.
What's not very smart is buying software without demoing or making sure it works on your system first.
2012/12/12 16:48:03
vintagevibe
pathos



What's not very smart is buying software without demoing or making sure it works on your system first.

No.  What's not smart is making a statement like this demonstrating that you have no idea what this conversation is about.  
2012/12/12 18:05:31
Linear Phase
Cracks never work..   or, "seldom work properly indefinitely."  Any serious professional, who has spent $100, $200, or $300, on a software that can not be authorized, "because the company is out of bizz," or whatever other reasons, has lost their investment.. IMHO


For eg:  Lets pretend PSP Audioware went bankrupt tomorrow.   Windows 9 to be out next week..    I get a new computer, with Windows 9 installed, and I try to install my plugins, but for some reason..   My authorizations do not work..   

I'm out the $.   I will simply be looking to buy new plugs.   Why?   I do not trust crack software...  Not when you are such a serious musician that you spend thousands of hours on learning, and using, and producing with the stuff.


I'd rather be out the petty cash, then the thousands, and thousands, and hundreds, and hundreds, of hours of work.
2012/12/12 20:51:56
Zo
mines is on an usb stcik on my desktop , and when i move or give cours with my lappy , i transfert it on loc al drive .....never had one single issue ...

Do you guyz have antivirus ? windows update ? or some  like that ?
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