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2013/06/06 13:42:48
The Maillard Reaction
MakeShift
They have a saying in Texas, "Never bring a knife to a gun fight."



 
Who said that?
 
Was it Antonio López de Santa Anna taunting Jim Bowie?
 
2013/06/06 14:15:11
Guitarhacker
bitflipper
I've seen high schools sentencing honest 16 years old to a lifetime of miserable jobs w/ less remorse than we have for criminals.
 
One of your better zingers, Rain.
 
I share your frustration. But what are you gonna do? Keep warehousing kids in prisons until they miraculously start behaving like responsible citizens? Ain't gonna happen. That kid was ruined long before he wound up in your back yard. It started when his dad took off and his mom took up residence in front of the TV with a bottle of wine.
 
It takes 15 years to plan for, finance and build a new prison. The average age of inmates in that future prison will be around 20 years of age. That means the future residents of those cells we're constructing are currently toddlers who haven't even started grade school yet.




 
Exactly.
 
My wife is a school teacher of the 4th grade. The stories she tells are sad and scary at the same time because all those kids will grow up, and with no parental involvement or concern at this early age.... their future does not look hopeful.
 
That means we, and society in general, will have to deal with them in some way in the future.
2013/06/06 14:43:06
spacealf
I guess that is why there are yard lights, video cameras on and only one State that does not allow guns (which has to be changed by June 9th by Court Decree which is Illinois) and many other States that allow concealed gun carry laws and at least one State that has Castle Law (Nebraska in which case if you own it, they don't and can be shot outside or inside) and why there is a shortage of bullets and more guns are sold and is a thriving business.
 
Even the police around here go - stay in the house and all of that stuff, but I wonder what they will do if people carrying concealed guns (which is allowed here) just say - over their dead body.
 
But with the video camera the police get the tape or CD and you do not appear as a witness because it is on a tape with the time or a CD recording made with a video security camera.
 
 
2013/06/06 14:52:40
The Maillard Reaction
 
That shortage of bullets statistic always gets my attention.
 
 
Look what happened to Custer.
2013/06/06 15:19:42
jbow
Rain, martial arts, dogs, and swords are good but in a pinch... a shotgun trumps everything. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
 
On another note, but a similar chord... our cat has an allergy to gluten so I have to by food at the local Petsmart store. Now I am not surprised by much anymore but... someone had let their dog take a dump right in front of the door to the store and just left it there. I think this is a new low. I imagine someone wearing PJs to town did it. No offense if you go to town in your PJs
 
I need to go back and read part one of this thread, I missed it.
 
Be safe. We care...
 
Julien
 
2013/06/06 18:49:11
SongCraft
bitflipper
I've seen high schools sentencing honest 16 years old to a lifetime of miserable jobs w/ less remorse than we have for criminals.
 
One of your better zingers, Rain.
 
I share your frustration. But what are you gonna do? Keep warehousing kids in prisons until they miraculously start behaving like responsible citizens? Ain't gonna happen. That kid was ruined long before he wound up in your back yard. It started when his dad took off and his mom took up residence in front of the TV with a bottle of wine.
 
It takes 15 years to plan for, finance and build a new prison. The average age of inmates in that future prison will be around 20 years of age. That means the future residents of those cells we're constructing are currently toddlers who haven't even started grade school yet.



Dave, you have compassion and understanding in these matters. You're right, most of those inmates are aged about 20 yrs old and probably all of them come from troubled backgrounds. 


SongCraft
These issues need to be dealt with more efficiently and effectively by 'much earlier intervention' along with further education in regards to best methods to detect early signs and report. 
 


There are many causes that can lead to more serious issues if not dealt with appropriately at a much earlier stage.
SongCraft
parents not being responsible (unemployed; alcohol and drug abuse).... what a lot of people don't care to know is; in some developed countries there are more suicides than there are deaths from vehicle accidents.... I know of a young kid (17) who took his own life, both his parents are alcoholics who partied loud with friends almost every night throughout the evening into the late hours (playing cards, gambling) all whilst the kids had to get their own meals, study and hopefully get a good nights sleep for that final exam tomorrow.

And no doubt discrimination and bullying occurs at schools and in the workplace. So imagine growing up in a situation like that, unfortunately not all kids grow up to be successful and with their moral compass intact!
 

I'm in agreement with what you said: 

Bitflipper
I share your frustration. But what are you gonna do? Keep warehousing kids in prisons until they miraculously start behaving like responsible citizens? Ain't gonna happen. That kid was ruined long before he wound up in your back yard.



So, early intervention is definitely a good start. Intervene earlier before the situation gets worse.  I truly believe that ALL kids need to be assessed by experts (psychologist) every 2 years from the time they start school and including guidance for their transition from school to further education (college or apprentiship) and into the workplace. There also needs to be workplace reforms to weed out any sort of abuse. 

During early intervention if a child is having issues it must be dealt with immediately. Quite possibly the parents also need to be dealt with and if the child has serious mental health issues he/she should be treated.  Catch it at a much earlier stage; so, instead of prison, have a monitoring system -- bracelet or micro-chip (if need be) and regular medical checkups and ongoing guidance to help these kids go on to live a fruitful life -- get them involved in training (further education) and into a good job.  Surely that's got to be 'real' rehabilitation rather than just tossing a kid into prison expecting they'll come out a better person whilst allowing the parents to continue drowning  themselves in more alcohol, gambling and debt. 


@ Rain, 


When that situation occurred, you would have been best to try not be seen all whilst reporting it to the police -- let them be the hero's.  I think you and your wife's safety might be at risk.  These offenders now know what you look like and where you live.  You should discuss this with the police or at least add this concern in an official report. Don't try to be a hero, next time these crims could have a gun. 

Get bright security-lights in the yard and signs that warn -- these premises are being monitored (cameras) -- if you can't afford cameras? get fake ones. And although alarms are a deterrent -- they are noisy and won't stop a bullet. But if you get an alarm system? an alert system would be better, but unfortunately more expensive. 


2013/06/06 19:07:11
craigb
I believe just having the warning signs is enough since they aren't going to waste time trying to find where you've hidden the cameras.  Any time they can actually see one (real or not), they can disable it. 
2013/06/06 19:37:36
bitflipper
My camera has a motion sensor. It takes your picture and uploads it to my ftp server, so even if you've whacked it off the ceiling your smiling face is on a disk far away. You might still get my stuff, but you'd better hope you don't live in the neighborhood (which, statistically, you probably do).
2013/06/06 20:16:18
Rain
Greg, 
 
I've discussed it briefly with the cops. Apparently, we shouldn't worry too much. I guess that in an ideal world, the best option would have been to not be seen, as you said.
 
But in a real world situation - just out of bed, before my first morning coffee, I just didn't have that reflex. Plus, having been born and raised and having spent most of my life in Canada, I just don't have it in me to continually apprehend an aggression, even if I'm very territorial - I once ran out completely naked w/ a frying pan in my hands - first thing I saw - in the middle of the night to chase a prowler in our backyard, back home... lol
 
Anyway, I'd have to face them in court, and if they're in for retaliation, I am only one of a few people who called the cops on them. How far are they willing to go and how much are they willing to risk?
 
That being said, we are dealing with some pretty weird thieves, so it's hard to figure out their reaction. They have Facebook pages and are friends with each other, all their info is available to the public - that's how I know so much about them, that they have kids and all. Not all that clever if you're planning on earning your life as a criminal.
 
They were caught trying to steal from a house in full daylight, on a Monday morning at 11:30. I mean this isn't like a lonely house in some remote location - there are neighbors all around. Someone spotted a vehicle that looked suspect and called the cops.
 
So the question is - would those guys who have all been filed take the risk of committing a series of much more serious crimes, to which they would be linked pretty much automatically? According to the cops, no. Obviously, that doesn't prevent me from staying alert, nevertheless.
 
The landlord and his wife were in town and came for a glass of wine last night. That discussion relieved me quite a bit, simply having the opportunity to voice my concerns.
 
In terms of robbery, the house isn't an easy target - small street w/ neighbors all around, on all 4 sides. The backyard is closed - there's a 7 feet wall on two sides and a 5 feet wall on the other. The gate is over 7 feet, so you don't just jump over.
 
So if you want to break in, you either use the front door - which is totally exposed, or then, you have some serious gymnastic to do. And once you're in, you need to take the stuff out. There again, either you have to walk out the front of the house or to jump over the 7' fence, cross the neighbors own backyard, his parking and make it to the adjacent street - all that w/o being seen. Neighbors have dogs outside and I'm hoping that we'll manage to create a sense of community and watch over each other.
 
Herb - we have our gym downstairs right next to the patio. That's the room one enters if he breaks in through the patio. They will get a hint that they're probably walking into a healthy guy's lair, someone who likes to lift weights and all - we have the bench, barbell, dumbells, cross-trainer and a thread mill and a bunch of other accessories. I love that room, almost as much as my home studio.
 
The next step is to accommodate my passion for martial arts and boxing. So I'm hoping to be able to add things like a kung fu dummy, a punching bag and such and to include swords both for decoration and to learn to use them... And nunchuks - I used to love those.
2013/06/06 21:44:53
SongCraft
Rain
I once ran out completely naked w/ a frying pan in my hands - first thing I saw - in the middle of the night to chase a prowler in our backyard, back home... lol
 


LOL!!

Best I not ask what the heck you we're doing just prior to that... Naked?, in the kitchen?.... a fry pan?...   chili?.... Crikey! 

However, IIRC this time round you had clothes on? and was armed with a baseball bat? or was that something else poking out? {perish that thought}  

It's good (smart) you talked about any concerns to the police and did some research about the offenders (FB.)  It's also a good idea to stay alert and if possible add some security measures to the place and inform the neighbors to also be alert. 


Rain
How far are they willing to go and how much are they willing to risk?
 

Well, if they are stupid enough to enter the premises in broad daylight and as you say the fence is high and neighbors on either side. Then yes, stay alert and get security signs and camera put up. 

Subpoena, I guess the laws vary depending where axactly the incident had taken place..  But usually for witnesses considering the circumstances a written document (official report) or by phone is an option. In all the cases I was inadvertantly involved in as a witness, the cops said a written report will suffice, but that was in Australia.  I guess in Las Vegas it's kinda sorta like attending the grammy's? LOL!! 

BTW, when you attend court, please put on some clothes! OK? LOL!!  

Seriously, I wish you and yours all the very best. Take care! 



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