2012/12/09 15:10:46
Rain
Honestly, I have no clue how close or how far it comes to the hardware as I've never owned a Lexicon reverb. But that's indeed how I think of it - there really isn't much tweaking required to get something which works and sounds right.


That being said, I use very little reverb. Usually, a tiny bit on the snare to compensate when I lower the room mics in passages where the mix is getting busier, or to push an instrument in the back a bit. But most of the time, it's barely noticeable.
2012/12/09 16:56:10
dmbaer
Rain

That being said, I use very little reverb. Usually, a tiny bit on the snare to compensate when I lower the room mics in passages where the mix is getting busier, or to push an instrument in the back a bit. But most of the time, it's barely noticeable.
This reminds me of a really good point that bitflipper made some time ago.  He said (something to the effect): my reverb is 18db down from the wet signal, so a super expensive high quality verb vs. an adequate cheap (or free) one makes little audible difference.
 
Corallary: Breverb is probably all you'll ever need if you use restraint in how much reverb you add in.

2012/12/10 12:07:33
drewfx1
dmbaer


Rain

That being said, I use very little reverb. Usually, a tiny bit on the snare to compensate when I lower the room mics in passages where the mix is getting busier, or to push an instrument in the back a bit. But most of the time, it's barely noticeable.
This reminds me of a really good point that bitflipper made some time ago.  He said (something to the effect): my reverb is 18db down from the wet signal, so a super expensive high quality verb vs. an adequate cheap (or free) one makes little audible difference.
 
Corallary: Breverb is probably all you'll ever need if you use restraint in how much reverb you add in.

I always used to be baffled by all the guys out there obsessing over reverb tails.

Then I realized that maybe it's because I tend to like my verbs short and relatively quiet. 

I had the same experience with people dissing the sound of compressors that sounded fine to me - I realized that, unlike some people, I like low ratios and not crazy amounts of gain reduction.

Of course I'm sure some people just obsess over things because they can, or because it lets them pretend that they're somehow superior or whatever. But I'm generally only willing to pay for stuff I can actually hear.
2012/12/10 12:10:44
strikinglyhandsome1
Don't buy 4'33". You won't like it.
2012/12/10 13:16:59
ltb
strikinglyhandsome1


Don't buy 4'33". You won't like it.
especially the remastered version 

2012/12/10 13:45:11
drewfx1
strikinglyhandsome1


Don't buy 4'33". You won't like it.




2012/12/10 15:01:23
Rain
drewfx1


dmbaer


Rain

That being said, I use very little reverb. Usually, a tiny bit on the snare to compensate when I lower the room mics in passages where the mix is getting busier, or to push an instrument in the back a bit. But most of the time, it's barely noticeable.
This reminds me of a really good point that bitflipper made some time ago.  He said (something to the effect): my reverb is 18db down from the wet signal, so a super expensive high quality verb vs. an adequate cheap (or free) one makes little audible difference.

Corallary: Breverb is probably all you'll ever need if you use restraint in how much reverb you add in.

I always used to be baffled by all the guys out there obsessing over reverb tails.

Then I realized that maybe it's because I tend to like my verbs short and relatively quiet. 

I had the same experience with people dissing the sound of compressors that sounded fine to me - I realized that, unlike some people, I like low ratios and not crazy amounts of gain reduction.

Of course I'm sure some people just obsess over things because they can, or because it lets them pretend that they're somehow superior or whatever. But I'm generally only willing to pay for stuff I can actually hear.

I do however think that even when used very sparingly, some reverbs are poorer than other. I often try to stick to my bundled plug-ins because, well, they're pretty good and they're über efficient. I can get pretty far in a mix w only those, even for mix buss compression, but when I start adding reverb, I usually have to start using 3rd party plug-ins. I did give that native Logic reverb a fair chance on many occasions, but even w/ short tails, it doesn't seem to work for me.


One thing I realized a few days ago - even if the Lexicon is my go to reverb, whenever I work on some huge rolling beat w/ a lot of action on the toms and floor toms, in a sparse arrangement, I seem to have even better luck w/ IK's CSR room.


Can't tell if there's a rational explanation - probably not. 
2012/12/10 22:07:13
stevee9c6
Rain


Honestly, I have no clue how close or how far it comes to the hardware as I've never owned a Lexicon reverb. But that's indeed how I think of it - there really isn't much tweaking required to get something which works and sounds right.


There is a very nice thread about the PCM Reverb bundle on gearslutz. The developer of these Lexicon reverbs states that the PCM Reverb Bundle is identical to the PCM96. 
2012/12/11 04:38:16
Bristol_Jonesey
Linear Phase


I now have to think:  "what other iLok software, could I buy, so that I can make this all worth it, if I happen to grab this and an ilok...

What Rain is saying is, "the lexicon sound is just plain famous."   If you read this book, there are several examples where the producers report things like, "than I just slap a lexicon verb on it, and dial in the hall preset, or whatever."

http://www.amazon.com/Beh...oftcover/dp/0879306149


Anything from EWQL requires an iLok. This is what tipped me over last January. So far I've not had a single iLok related problem
2012/12/11 11:10:15
Linear Phase
Yeah, something to think about for sure.   I will keep an eye on it, and see if the price stays like this all year, or it turned out be only an xmas/seasonal sale thing...
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