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2015/01/08 09:55:45
chasmcg
http://chasms.com/95B/4_displaying_images.htm
 
See the pictures at the URL above. I recorded a vocal with both of the scenarios. First vocal was recorded with the foam booth (1st image). I had a comforter at the bottom of the foam booth that's not shown in the image. Then I read an article and started wondering if the booth was too dead because the vocal wasn't that bright and seemed bassy. Then I just threw some comforters up (2nd picture) and recorded that way. I couldn't tell the difference. Anyone have any opinions or suggestions on the matter? Thanks.
2015/01/08 10:10:34
Paul P
 
I don't see much difference between your two methods.  They both kill the highs and keep the lows.  They also don't control the bass in your room which looks to be small and untreated.  It's a stretch to call them vocal booths.
 
What kind of mic are you using ?
 
I'd search around in Gearslutz's  Studio building / acoustics forum for what to do to improve things.  Your situation is a very common one.
2015/01/08 10:25:45
chasmcg
I was actually just calling the foam square/rectangle a vocal booth.  And no, my room is not treated at all. Not really looking to spend any money/time on too much treatment. Just looking to improve my vocals as much as I can with a limited amount of time/money. I'm using a Rode NT 1-A mic. I had read an article on the Sound on Sound website telling me the same thing about the lows and wondering if the 2nd method (2nd image) would improve things which, apparently, it didn't. Will check out the Gearslutz website. Thanks for your input.
2015/01/08 10:25:55
bitflipper
You're on the right track, Chas. You just need to bulk up the booth with denser materials.
 
The problem with packing foam and comforters (and egg cartons and Reflextion filters) is that they aren't dense enough to effect frequencies below about 1KHz. Consequently, they'll make your vocal sound dull and bassy.
 
What you need is greater thickness and density in your absorbent materials, and it wouldn't hurt to move it all out of the corner of the room. If the room's small such that you don't have many options as to where to place the booth, you can at least turn it around so that your back is to the corner.
 
Go down to your hardware/home-improvement store and get some compressed (aka "rigid") fiberglass. Four inches' worth should do the trick, and make sure it's not right up against the wall - leave a gap.
2015/01/08 10:33:39
Paul P
bitflipper
Go down to your hardware/home-improvement store and get some compressed (aka "rigid") fiberglass. Four inches' worth should do the trick, and make sure it's not right up against the wall - leave a gap.



That's the simple answer.  However, fiberglass (or mineral wool) is some pretty awful stuff the fibres of which immediately embed themselves in your skin, not to mention your lungs.  Better to wrap the panels up into what's known as Bass Traps.  The forum I mentioned has one dedicated to this very subject  Bass traps, acoustic panels, foam etc.
2015/01/08 10:54:49
chasmcg
Bitflipper, thanks for your input. That describes my vocal, as you say, "dull and bassy." No life. I recently moved and never used anything in my last bedroom/studio. And my vocals were acceptable to me. This new house, though, sends echoes everywhere. So I'm looking to tame them down and the result so far is dull and lifeless. Will look into your suggestions.
 
Addendum: I actually had the foam booth in the middle of the room. The picture was taken after recording and I had placed it against the wall.
2015/01/08 12:45:12
Randy P
How close you have your mic to the quilts can make a huge difference. I saw a video of the Traveling Wilburys recording vocals in a house. They had blankets strung over ropes. The mics were about 3-4 feet away from the blankets. The results obviously were pretty good.
 
I'd think if you tacked a blanket on a wall or better yet 2 adjoining walls and moved the mic into the middle of the room and sang towards one of the walls, your results would improve dramatically.
 
Randy
2015/01/08 13:24:30
BlixYZ
This thread could get very long- there are many variables.  
You say the vox sound "dull", but an untreated room seems unlikely to be the culprit.
The reason for absortion is to avoid recording reflections- i.e.- the SOUND of the ROOM.
What pattern is the mic set to?
How far away is your mouth from the mic?
Is there a couch or bed in the room?  is the room carpeted?
 
If you don't want the expense of treating your room, you can help matters by using a mic with a tighter pattern and staying within 6 inches of it when you sing.  Dynamic mics pick up far less of the room than condensers, but some condensers have delightfully tight polar patterns that effectively reject side and rear signals (reflections in this case).
 
 
 
2015/01/08 13:27:30
BlixYZ
Unless you are in a GREAT sounding room AND you want that sound in your recording, then there is no such thing as "too dead".  You can add unlimited reverb and delay after-the-fact with plugins.  Having a dry, pure signal leaves you with all your options open as you head to mix.
 
2015/01/08 15:09:33
chasmcg
Randy, thanks for your input. Tried your suggestions, but for now and for me, the vocal recorded into the foam booth sounds best to me. Still experimenting.
 
James, the mic (Rode NT 1A) has only the one pattern. I've been about 6 inches from the mic. The bed, carpet, etc. shouldn't have any bearing on the vocal recording since I have the mic just inside the foam booth (square/rectangle). But there's no bed. The floor is carpeted. In my other house I always used Izotope Nectar and got a great sound (IMO) with it. Checked a previous vocal and the highs compared to the current vocal is like day and night. So I will be trying other settings to see if I can EQ things differently. Thanks for your input.
 
I ran across this video from a MAJOR producer. About 54 seconds into the video it shows his vocal booth. Check it out. Also check out who all he has recorded in this manner. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWWKavfQKAM
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