Did you forget something? Straummy is pedantic uno....

musicman100


Leave it to Strummy to derail my Sirius thread

What do you mean derail it?

Didn't you understand that he was pointing out that bad grammar is symptomatic of the decline of civilization?

Do we have to spell everything out? 

hi musicman100:a bit late to the party but agree it is a serious question.
 
If todays science fiction is tomorrows future then checkout the latest movies-all with post apolyptic ,zombie/vampire themes.
i used to ascribe to the "Walking Dead" theory of holing up on a farm to weather whatever scenario unfolds and have worked hard to be isolated,generate my own power,water, recycle my sewerage and waste and grow most of my poultry,fruit,vegies and nuts  BUT.........,.
as for stocking up on the ammo-there`s 3 million people 90 minutes down the freeway and when they get hungry they will be heading my way and i would need to feed and house a small army to have any chance, so ,to me ,the core issue here will be hunger and the consequences IF the cities lost power for more than 4 days would be catastrophic-think about it-no refrigeration,water,petrol pumps etc.
Forget WMD`s,GFC`s,biological warfare and fracking-if you want to put a stop to this rampant madness just turn off the power for a week and see what happens..
NB: i am not condoning or even welcoming such a scenario it just seems so obvious to me.
anyone else?
   
 

webbs hill studio


hi musicman100:a bit late to the party but agree it is a serious question.
 
If todays science fiction is tomorrows future then checkout the latest movies-all with post apolyptic ,zombie/vampire themes.
i used to ascribe to the "Walking Dead" theory of holing up on a farm to weather whatever scenario unfolds and have worked hard to be isolated,generate my own power,water, recycle my sewerage and waste and grow most of my poultry,fruit,vegies and nuts  BUT.........,.
as for stocking up on the ammo-there`s 3 million people 90 minutes down the freeway and when they get hungry they will be heading my way and i would need to feed and house a small army to have any chance, so ,to me ,the core issue here will be hunger and the consequences IF the cities lost power for more than 4 days would be catastrophic-think about it-no refrigeration,water,petrol pumps etc.
Forget WMD`s,GFC`s,biological warfare and fracking-if you want to put a stop to this rampant madness just turn off the power for a week and see what happens..
NB: i am not condoning or even welcoming such a scenario it just seems so obvious to me.
anyone else?
   
 

Not to put a dampener on your catastrophe scenario or anything, but when New York lost power for 4 days (weeks in some places), it all remained pretty civilized. 

sharke

webbs hill studio


hi musicman100:a bit late to the party but agree it is a serious question.

If todays science fiction is tomorrows future then checkout the latest movies-all with post apolyptic ,zombie/vampire themes.
i used to ascribe to the "Walking Dead" theory of holing up on a farm to weather whatever scenario unfolds and have worked hard to be isolated,generate my own power,water, recycle my sewerage and waste and grow most of my poultry,fruit,vegies and nuts  BUT.........,.
as for stocking up on the ammo-there`s 3 million people 90 minutes down the freeway and when they get hungry they will be heading my way and i would need to feed and house a small army to have any chance, so ,to me ,the core issue here will be hunger and the consequences IF the cities lost power for more than 4 days would be catastrophic-think about it-no refrigeration,water,petrol pumps etc.
Forget WMD`s,GFC`s,biological warfare and fracking-if you want to put a stop to this rampant madness just turn off the power for a week and see what happens..
NB: i am not condoning or even welcoming such a scenario it just seems so obvious to me.
anyone else?
  

Not to put a dampener on your catastrophe scenario or anything, but when New York lost power for 4 days (weeks in some places), it all remained pretty civilized. 

So you think NY is civilized to begin with??? 

Sharke, you knew help was coming.  Webb has it right - most major cities have 3-4 days of food stockpile, as well as fuel (not just for cars but for power, water, etc.).  After that - well, there ain't no civilization on a hungry belly.  It would be like the zombie apocalypse but w/ fast moving people.  You don't have to worry, tho, not much.  about the only thing that would bring such a condition on w/o killing most city folk is an EMP.  And fortunately, most of the kind of people that would do such a thing are, to put it mildly, too ...  technically deficient to accomplish that.

More likely is the kinda slower rot we had in the 70s - gas lines and 10% inflation.  You know how to put in dent in the US IOUs?  4 years of 10% inflation means the $50,000 every man woman and child in America, regardless of religion race or age, owes via the government, is only worth 1/2 as much in real terms.  If you happen to Chinese creditors too bad.  If you happen to have saved money for retirement, sucker.  If you are working, raises never seem to keep up w/ inflation.  And don't forget the killer rabbits of the 70s.

As for the greatest generation - I feel bad for them but feel worse for their children - our generation.  They started social security so their own folks didn't have to live when them when they got old and didn't have to have them die in the spare family bedroom like their grandparents did.  Then they started Medicare, where the average worker pays in $110,000 and takes out $350,000.  It is a good racket as long as you can find a sucker.  I don't think are children are going to be so ... accommodating.

Cheer up, these are the good times before the reckoning comes around. 

But if you want financial advice, it is never too late to get into commodities.  You know, the things those inflated dollars take more of to buy.  Tangible things like oil (a bit late for gold, it is already falling).  And you know the one thing they can never make more of really?  Land.  So when the zombies come you'll have somewhere to go.

Not to put a dampener on your catastrophe scenario or anything, but when New York lost power for 4 days (weeks in some places), it all remained pretty civilized.

 
you are right-some major capitals like New York ,London etc have vast backup generators but they are designed for just that-emergency backup for a lmited time and have finite fuel supplies and i doubt they divert emergency power to supermarkets etc..
you did well to find fresh food after 4 days other than fruit and veg..
Due to recent events,an astonishing number of Americans have bought backup generators but try running one to keep your Bacon cold 24/7 for "weeks".
get away from the main hubs and it`s every person for themselves,especially when the city folk turn on their aircon and what`s left dribbles out to the country.
Assuming power stations (particularly Nuclear) are terrorist targets and most analysts agree they are, then a syncronised attack that crippled generation for more than "weeks" would be catastrophic.
Lets not forget 3 Mile,Fukushima etc.France and Japan rely largely on nuclear.
Unfortunately,unlike you Sharke,i probably won`t be around to see such events so it will be up to you and the next generation to deal with it.
Without sounding too cynical-the only thing that will save this planet is a catastrophe with a massive reduction in population,back to what the planet can comfortably sustain.
But,the sun`s come out and i`m off to gather firewood which is, if you think about it historically, a fairly primal thing to do.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

hi AT-i forgot about EMP-or it`s next iteration.
i do disagree with you though regarding the lack of technology available to suitable antagonists.
I have no doubt an elite group of government,military and other "important" people have the capability and resources to exist independantly for years after a catastrophe and if you want to extrapolate wildly and believe the earth is "doomed" what greater gift to mankind and history would it to be the person who saved earth from it`s own destruction and returned it to a level that was sustainable-governed by the "important" survivors of course!
What if it`s a rogue Bruce Willis or a spitefull Tony Stark or god forbid ,TomCruise!
we will just have to wait and see.
cheers
tony

there is only 3 days worth of food in the supply line. That means on the shelves and in the back room at the supermarket. 

If you live in a hurricane prone place like I do, you know that the shelves are bare within hours of the storm prediction to hit. No water, no bread, no milk, and if the situation was extended... there would be nothing in a few days without resupplying. In a hurricane, the resupply happens quickly. 

Let  something like an EMP hit and take out the power for an extended period of time on a large regional basis...like the entire east coast or west coast for a few months.... you are talking MAJOR problems in that entire area. 

You know what's worse than that?

Many supermarkets only stock 24 hours worth of toilet paper.

I've done a lot of in house communications work for a large grocery chain. I was amazed to learn that the locations have bare minimum stock storage in the back of the store and that they work hard to use just in time supply and keep most of the stock "stored" on the display shelf.

One example quoted to me was that toilet paper shows up everyday because it flies off the shelf fast. It has a small gross profit so they will not devote much storage space to it in the back. The storage space is the retail display and a endless supply of semi trailers.


Oh bother.





Here's another thing to consider... how fast do you think we'll run out of squirrels when 300,000,000 people start shooting them with their 7.62x39ers?

A day? A week?