Sorry to say, but i am a hardware musician looking to move to a DAW and all i see in this forum is nothing but problems problems problems with Sonar7 not to mention Vista.
how dare cakewalk advertise S7 as the ducks nuts and 64bit and all that crap when it is far from being stable and efficient.
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board.
This is mainly cakewalks fault as they have the programmers and resourses to deal with this but alas what a mess they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it.
the only plugs that i would like to have in Logic when i buy it, is the V-vocal and the full version of the Rapture synth,well V-vocal is Sonar only so i miss out there but rapture is available as an audio unit for Mac so i will definitely get that, otherwise Logic Pro has more than i need to get the job done, as well as it's included mastering plugs which are truly world class and have been redesigned for the Pro8 version.

The PC side of things from what i can see is nothing but hassles and i would rather be making music than trying to sort out UNECCESSARY problems all day long.
nothing against you guys as i just want you to know that i wanted to join the SONAR crew(as in you lot) but cakewalk can't seem to get their **** sorted out and thats simply not good enough...

Bye....

ORIGINAL: steve austin


Sorry to say, but i am a hardware musician looking to move to a DAW and all i see in this forum is nothing but problems problems problems with Sonar7 not to mention Vista.
how dare cakewalk advertise S7 as the ducks nuts and 64bit and all that crap when it is far from being stable and efficient.
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board.
This is mainly cakewalks fault as they have the programmers and resourses to deal with this but alas what a mess they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it.
the only plugs that i would like to have in Logic when i buy it, is the V-vocal and the full version of the Rapture synth,well V-vocal is Sonar only so i miss out there but rapture is available as an audio unit for Mac so i will definitely get that, otherwise Logic Pro has more than i need to get the job done, as well as it's included mastering plugs which are truly world class and have been redesigned for the Pro8 version.

The PC side of things from what i can see is nothing but hassles and i would rather be making music than trying to sort out UNECCESSARY problems all day long.
nothing against you guys as i just want you to know that i wanted to join the SONAR crew(as in you lot) but cakewalk can't seem to get their **** sorted out and thats simply not good enough...

You must be trolling for laughs yes? You read the forum and decide how good Sonar is by inspection? Sounds like you don't know squat about PCs either.

Then you claim Logic is 99% stable? You measured this with what?

And you tell us how stable an unreleased OS will be, that you are sure its so much better before you have tried it?

Don't quit your dayjob, detective. You and your assumptions definitely belong on a mac.

Not to mention no one could give a crap what you decide, but you waste forum space to tell us your lame conclusions. I figure we are lucky you aren't staying, as yours was the most annoying, least intelligent post I read in weeks.

EDIT: For spelling.

D.

ORIGINAL: steve austin

Sorry to say, but i am a hardware musician looking to move to a DAW and all i see in this forum is nothing but problems problems problems with Sonar7 not to mention Vista.
how dare cakewalk advertise S7 as the ducks nuts and 64bit and all that crap when it is far from being stable and efficient.
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board.
This is mainly cakewalks fault as they have the programmers and resourses to deal with this but alas what a mess they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it.
the only plugs that i would like to have in Logic when i buy it, is the V-vocal and the full version of the Rapture synth,well V-vocal is Sonar only so i miss out there but rapture is available as an audio unit for Mac so i will definitely get that, otherwise Logic Pro has more than i need to get the job done, as well as it's included mastering plugs which are truly world class and have been redesigned for the Pro8 version.

The PC side of things from what i can see is nothing but hassles and i would rather be making music than trying to sort out UNECCESSARY problems all day long.
nothing against you guys as i just want you to know that i wanted to join the SONAR crew(as in you lot) but cakewalk can't seem to get their **** sorted out and thats simply not good enough...

sorry, i just wet my pants
multiple times.


Have FUN on logic. I was a logic devotee for years. Enjoy your core audio overloads on mac and corrupted projects that will have you pulling your hair out, and a simple quicktime update that will break half your plugins.

Whatever.

Bummer dude! How about a test drive, kick the tires a little, maybe try the demo out? Nothing? Just like that? If the other side of the fence were that good we would all be there.

Good Luck!

Hawky

+1 Bye.... itls like mama said : on mouth less... more food for us!.

This must have been a Six Million Dollar Decision.

ORIGINAL: steve austin
i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro

Yes, it's magical. Magically delicious. It's like a frosty breakfast cereal. With a toy surprise inside.

There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board.

and...

they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it.

Who's this "us" business? I thought you wouldn't "even consider hoping on board" SONAR7 on Windows, yet you have some sort of special precognitive insight into the instability of PC-based DAWs and somehow know for a fact that Cakewalk is "slow to do anything about" imaginary problems that you haven't experienced yet? So have you "hoped on board" yet, or not?

Geez... gimme some of whatever it is you're smoking. I wanna live in your reality... just to see what it's like.

BTW, I counted no fewer than 7 references to Logic Pro8 in your post. Looks like your mind is made up. See you in 4 years when Apple decides to do something radical like focus on iGadgets and totally neglect apps like Logic for years on end, or maybe just switch to some entirely different hardware platform causing them to rewrite everything from scratch...

This is why I still have XP Pro...and won't upgrade to Vista until Service Pack 1 or 2. And the same for version 7 of Sonar. Not until 7.1 or 7.2. I'm
so stable with the 2 year old Sonar I use in XP now. Plus, I've used PC's most of my life and though I don't dislike Macs and know their advantages,
his rant is selective to the good aspects. It falls short on many things that PCs do better than Macs as well. We wish software after beta would be
perfect, that's a pipe dream. But if this person is a Mac person by nature, I can't imagine he'd like Sonar anyway being that it's just so darned "PC".

Well, there's the Apple marketing machine at work, and still doing a fine job I might add. It's simply AMAZING to me that there are people who actually believe that the Apple computer platform is so much more stable, easier to use, and trouble-free compared to the PC platform. I guess if you tell somebody something often enough, whether it's true or not, they'll eventually believe it. This is not a Mac vs PC issue or Sonar vs Logic issue, all are fine products -- it's a Truth vs Reality issue.

I've had the good fortune and pleasure to work with numerous professional musicians, producers, composers, and recording engineers who MAKE THEIR LIVING every day using computers and digital audio applications (I've even switched a few Mac users to the PC, but that's another story). Here's the bottom line and the absolute truth as I've come to know it:

Apple users have just as many problems as PC users.

Modern computers and operating systems are extremely complex (as users demand more and more features), with nearly countless hardware and software options that constitute a practically infinite number of combinations -- there's going to be problems. But the better hardware and software manufacturers (such as Cakewalk) will listen and work through those issues in a timely and professional manner, ultimately providing all of us with fantastic tools for creating music.