SOLVED: This problem has a perfect workaround, just change the behaviour of the Select tool (from the dropdown menu), and editing clips inside layers seems to work just fine. Thanks to Richard Fey for the discovery.
 
 
Hey guys!

I haven't found much about this in the Reference Guide or SONAR 7 Power so I thought I'd run it by you!

Lately I've been using SONARs layer comping feature for everything and I must say, the more I use it and work it into my fingertips, the more it does rock my recording/editing world! Logic's QuickSwipe feature impressed me a lot when a friend showed it to me a few months back, but with SONARs Mute tool and the 'exclusive' function (CTRL key), I figure I can work almost as fast!

There's something I can't get my head around, though: After I've spent time and energy making a great comp track, the comping arrangement gets ruined (partly or completely) by performing the following actions:

- Clicking 'Rebuild Layers'
- Deleting a layer
- Moving a clip from one layer to another

Keep in mind that I don't slip edit the clips in the layers, I only use the Mute tool, and what I'd like and expect from this feature is for a clip to retain it's muted portions whether it is moved or an adjacent layer is deleted.

Is there some logic to this that I don't understand, or is it truly a bug?

Sven

I would suggest bouncing your comp into it's own track.I usually do that,then archive the multiple takes in a seperate folder.

Yeah, I can do that after I've finished comping. Problem is, I like to rebuild, delete layers and move clips while I'm compiling the comp to clean up while I'm working!

Sven

+1000

Those things seemed very ****ed to me too.
I've just learned the hard way not to do them.

Here is another one. Have you ever made so many comp passes that the track you want to edit is so narrow it's impossible?


Logic hu?...
Hmm

ORIGINAL: bitman

Here is another one. Have you ever made so many comp passes that the track you want to edit is so narrow it's impossible?


Hmm

Sure! But those are rare cases and there are workarounds, like moving half your layers to a second track.

Sven

ORIGINAL: SvenArne

ORIGINAL: bitman

Here is another one. Have you ever made so many comp passes that the track you want to edit is so narrow it's impossible?


Hmm

Sure! But those are rare cases and there are workarounds, like moving half your layers to a second track.

Sven

Have you ever made so many comp passes that the track you want to edit is so narrow it's impossible?

Regrettably, yes, I have (lol). I suppose it's a "rare case" if you're working by yourself. If you're recording with others, live, not so rare. E.g. backing vocals, it's typical to run a section many times until it sounds very good. One wants to record takes, by default, rather than moan over the one that got away, especially if you the engineer are also singing/playing/...

If you've recorded several passes of *more than one track*, in parallel, then good luck with moving "half the layers" to new tracks, especially if they tracks can't be dealt with independently but are linked (e.g. a dry mic on one track and a wet one using outboard fx printed... or two mics on an acoustic guitar, or electric + MIDI guitar). It gets clumsier, though it's manageable.

There's a command to delete the *current* take, buried in some menu somewhere. That's ok, I suppose one could bind it to a key... It would be more useful to have commands to delete *previous* take, and delete all previous takes. (Does anyone know if Logic or PT has such commands?)

ORIGINAL: SvenArne

Hey guys!

I haven't found much about this in the Reference Guide or SONAR 7 Power so I thought I'd run it by you!

Lately I've been using SONARs layer comping feature for everything and I must say, the more I use it and work it into my fingertips, the more it does rock my recording/editing world! Logic's QuickSwipe feature impressed me a lot when a friend showed it to me a few months back, but with SONARs Mute tool and the 'exclusive' function (CTRL key), I figure I can work almost as fast!

There's something I can't get my head around, though: After I've spent time and energy making a great comp track, the comping arrangement gets ruined (partly or completely) by performing the following actions:

- Clicking 'Rebuild Layers'
- Deleting a layer
- Moving a clip from one layer to another

Keep in mind that I don't slip edit the clips in the layers, I only use the Mute tool, and what I'd like and expect from this feature is for a clip to retain it's muted portions whether it is moved or an adjacent layer is deleted.

Is there some logic to this that I don't understand, or is it truly a bug?

Sven

I hear ya. What I have found is to move the "comped" layer to the top(using the Shift key while moving) and use delete empty layers. Rebuild layers just doesn't work the way I want it to sometimes.

But then this is my job and I have to over look these little inconveniences, out of all of the other DAW's I have used, I choose Sonar because of all of the other great things it does, and I tend not to let these little things get me down( I've got work to do). Ever tried take management in Digital Performer? Or better yet try and copy and paste in DP or PT, create a loop in PT, I like to Ctrl copy paste.

I agree that the layers and comping needs a rethink, but there is so many other thing that work great in Sonar that these things I find a way that works for me and one of the is NEVER choose rebuild layers, organize them the way I want and then delete unused layers.

HTH

Tom

Agreed, the layers feature needs some rethinking, but here's something that might help. Once you get a clip where you want it, right click and lock the data and position for that clip.

I've also experienced the bug where, if you delete a clip from one layer, the muting goes away from other layers. This cost me a lot of work the other night. now I know to do all the comping and then bounce the layers I'm going to keep to one track, and then delete the unused layers. This is really an annoying one that should get fixed ASAP.

I think this is such a fantastic feature. I pretty much just use it for vocal tracks, but I find it so liberating to just lay down take after take without worrying about losing the take before; knowing that I'll be able to pick and choose. I've found my performances to be better because the stress isn't there anymore. I can relax without worrying about screwing up or hitting it just right, and I find that I'm much better as a result!

One thing I'd like to see are LARGER M & S buttons to the left!!!! Those are hard to hit with my mouse when eye fatigue is setting in.

I guess I've never messed with replacing layers; I guess I'll have to. What I've been doing is, once I get my track sounding the way I want it to, I just "Bounce to Track" and have done with it.