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  • 44000 Hz vs 48000 Hz - what rate are YOU using? (p.6)
2011/04/16 21:06:35
A1MixMan
Most professional studio's record at 24bit/96kHz and so do I. I'm also running everything in 64bit, Win7 and X1. And I also use the 64bit double precision engine in Sonar as well. It does make a difference no matter what anyone tells you. And with the speed of today's cpu's and the size of hard drives and the cost of ram, there is absolutely NO REASON not to run at the highest rate possible. And yes, I dither down and convert to mp3, but it's also at the highest rate possible. Ever heard of Garbage In/ Garbage Out? Same principle.

A whole completed project with lots of tracks, audio and midi, with no tracks frozen, and my cpu is only at 45%.

A few years ago this wasn't possible on a small budget, but today anyone can do it. Some will argue about the merits of 24bit/96kHz, but those arguements do not hold up anymore. CPU is not an issue. Hard disk space is not an issue. So why not run at 24bit/96kHz? I just don't understand the resistance to it. And it sounds fantastic to me. I will never go back. I'm just in my bedroom studio, but I try to think and act like a professional studio, because one day I will have/use/own one and I will be ready.

Hell, man, this is the year 2011! Step into the future. Or at least the present. 16bit/44.1kHz is so last century.

2011/04/16 21:10:58
A1MixMan
chuckebaby


is 24 bit sucking up more processor resourses? does it give a better over-all sound..can someone tell me in short the benifits?

Alot higher headroom at 24bit, which means your noise floor is alot lower. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND EVERYONE to at least be 24bit/44.1kHz. You will notice this right away. You can clip really easily with 16bit, and it's ALOT harder to clip with 24bit. This really lets your music breath. It has room to stretch. It's not all cramped up. Which makes recording alot easier. This was the first thing we noticed when we switched to 24 bit. 
  
 
Every arguement against 24bit/96kHz is a losing one in my opinion.
2011/04/16 21:38:30
bitflipper
16bit/44.1kHz is so last century.

You don't work for Cakewalk marketing, do you?
2011/04/16 22:56:56
mudgel
jyeager11


mudgel

When using the Share Drivers setting what happens is that the program that has Windows' focus gets the driver so you can never hear 2 programs playing at the same time. It sounds counter intuitive but you need to uncheck that setting.
I don't understand. Are you saying it's physically impossible to have Sonar and WMP playing simultaneously?

I can play youtube videos (and hear them) while WMP is playing. Firefox/IE and WMP are two very distinct programs and the focus can only be on one of them (or none) and yet I can still hear the audio overlap.

Why can't I do the same with Sonar?


No. What i'm saying is that once you uncheck that box and Don't share drivers with other programs you will be able to play something in Sonar while at the same time play something completely different in another program; though why you'd want to do that I don't know.
2011/04/16 23:00:35
John
And 96kHz extends the dynamic range. People will argue whether "humans" can hear it, but it goes beyond that. Nature doesn't stop at 44.1 kHz, so why should I?
No, there is no extension of dynamic range. There is a bandwidth increase. Two very different things.
2011/04/17 03:17:43
Loptec
I use 24bit 48kHz
2011/04/17 04:13:37
Freddie H


2011/04/17 04:22:01
Freddie H
Okay boys and girls are you all ready for the truth?



Okay I use 24 bit, 32bit, 64bit 48kHz or 96kHz and all kinds of dithering and highend AD DA converters too etc......but can we hear the difference...?
Hardly...example you can't hear any dithering go on at all , infact you can't even hear the difference between 12-14 bit or 24 bit whatever... still there are very good reason to use 24bit or 32bit floating...

We should always urge and use the best possible quality we have..but you should be aware of the facts why and what's real or not..



Watch this Video and you will learn alot of all kinds AUDIO myths floating around out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

2011/04/17 04:28:05
Loptec

best possibl
Freddie H


Okay boys and girls are you all ready for the truth?



Okay I use 24 bit, 32bit, 64bit 48kHz or 96kHz and all kinds of dithering and hoghend AD DA converters too etc......but can we hear the difference...?
You can't hear any dithering go on at all , infact you can't even hear the difference between 12-14 bit or 16 bit whatever...
Still we should always use the best possible quality we have..but you should be aware of the facts why and what's real or not..



Watch this Video and you will learn alot of all kinds AUDIO myths floating around out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

Sorry I can’t agree with this.
You hear a huge difference just by changing from 16bit 44..1kHz to 24bit 48kHz!
And it’s not just what you hear in the basic recording it’s what you can do with the sound afterwards..
It’s like editing an image..

Let’s say you have a HUGE photo of a flower with a fly sitting on it.

* If you have great resolution you can zoom in and draw a hat on the fly.

* With low resolution all you can do is putting a blob in the fly’s head and say.. “well.. it kind of looks like a hat”

In other words you get SO MUCH more control over the sound when working with higher resolution. And even if you compress the audio to mp3 or whatever after, the final product sounds SO much better if it wasn’t all blurry from the start
2011/04/17 04:32:41
Freddie H
Loptec



best possibl
Freddie H


Okay boys and girls are you all ready for the truth?



Okay I use 24 bit, 32bit, 64bit 48kHz or 96kHz and all kinds of dithering and hoghend AD DA converters too etc......but can we hear the difference...?
You can't hear any dithering go on at all , infact you can't even hear the difference between 12-14 bit or 16 bit whatever...
Still we should always use the best possible quality we have..but you should be aware of the facts why and what's real or not..



Watch this Video and you will learn alot of all kinds AUDIO myths floating around out there...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

Sorry I can’t agree with this.
You hear a huge difference just by changing from 16bit 44..1kHz to 24bit 48kHz!
And it’s not just what you hear in the basic recording it’s what you can do with the sound afterwards..
It’s like editing an image..

Let’s say you have a HUGE photo of a flower with a fly sitting on it.

* If you have great resolution you can zoom in and draw a hat on the fly.

* With low resolution all you can do is putting a blob in the fly’s head and say.. “well.. it kind of looks like a hat”

In other words you get SO MUCH more control over the sound when working with higher resolution. And even if you compress the audio to mp3 or whatever after, the final product sounds SO much better if it wasn’t all blurry from the start

My friend... I'm with you.. I'm not saing that... I use 32bit floating 48kHz mostly myself..
Its Sunday take your time watching the VIDEO I posted.. I think you will like it. It it will take one hour to watch the Video.
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