Bub
Well, Jim Roseberry is one of, if not the, most respected, level headed, knowledgeable, helpful forum members here. I think I'll listen to what he has to say since he's an actual professional who builds DAW's for a living ...

Good, and so you should. I know others listen to Jim too. I'd also note that Jim builds plenty of 64bit systems, with lots of RAM and powerful processors.
So I guess by your account of things he's also been duped by the marketing hype, and sells people stuff they don't need ?.

You've picked up here on what is actually the most bizarre aspect of this bizarre argument. What Jim says and what I say are exactly the same thing: the only significant difference between 64 bit and 32 bit is in the memory usage thing.

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John T

Bub
Well, Jim Roseberry is one of, if not the, most respected, level headed, knowledgeable, helpful forum members here. I think I'll listen to what he has to say since he's an actual professional who builds DAW's for a living ...

Good, and so you should. I know others listen to Jim too. I'd also note that Jim builds plenty of 64bit systems, with lots of RAM and powerful processors.
So I guess by your account of things he's also been duped by the marketing hype, and sells people stuff they don't need ?.

You've picked up here on what is actually the most bizarre aspect of this bizarre argument. What Jim says and what I say are exactly the same thing: the only significant difference is in the memory usage thing.

Damn you John, you made me log in again :-)

Yep, the whole angle is riduculous, and I think it's quite plain to see.
There's nothing wrong with a good debate, but what I see here is plain unhealthy !.
I don't normally bother wasting my time with this kind of ... tripe.

I'm leaving this thread now, and don't care to read any more nonsense.

People who are running capable systems with 64bit Sonar know the advantages.

Others want to take whatever argument they can against 64bit Sonar, or particular users who might post positively about it
for some wierd reason that makes no sense.  I'm sure most people can see right through it though.

Now I think I'll go set up a block so I don't have to even see the nonsense.

There's plenty of good, interesting stuff and people here to interact with - I'll just stick to that now.

Off to load a big project in my 64 bit Sonar and have some fun.

Take care, I'll catch you around here.

Cheers - Cliff

From the currently running Coffee House 'fun words' thread. Just for the sake of brevity.  Bub you know I luv ya.

Buball (n)- A refuge or sanctuary where one can indulge in ones preferred beliefs free from fear of them being contaminated by facts or other unwelcome foreign influences.

Actually until very recently I had so much 32 bit stuff I couldn't use on a 64bit system I even kept an XP install as a dual boot to cater for those requirements when I got my new machine together, which will remain there as it handles all my non-DAW tasks to save cluttering up the W7 64 install.

DAW wise the only thing I'm waiting for, as far as 64 bit goes is Rewire, which is on its way.

The main thing is that new even entry level machines are being shipped with the 64 bit OS and with $300 I7 chips now a reality, those two facts alone mean that the mass market is going to move that way exponentially from here on in, like it or not.

I've gotta say I like it all in all.

John

What everybody is missing here is this, the benefits of a 32 bit system all the way is "probably" as good as a hodge podge system that is 64 bit. Why? This is how it works, if you have a 64 bit system and you have recorded at 24 bit already you are taxing the system because the system has to calculate the difference. Ok to explain it better, if I had a fully 64 bit system and I recorded at 64 (which you can) then all my plugs are at 64 bit and my synths and samplers, the system has to do less calculations because it doesn't have to upsample or re-quantize or even dither, the whole system runs better because everything is the same and the benefits of 32 bit all the way are the same. The problem is not everything is 64 bit so no matter how much extra ram you have the calculations the CPU has to do double because you have keep doing all these extra calculations. I hope you all get what I mean. Look you all have it right, I would not touch 64 bit and I have stated this over and over but if I was going to build a digital orchestra then I would need the extra ram. Bub relax, you ain't going to win on this one, I am with you but I can see the benefits of 64 bit, it's just I don't need it a vast majority of the users on this forum don't need it. The only thing you I and I can do is not let the waters get too muddy!!!

You have some facts wrong. You can record at 64 bits in a 32 bit system as long as you are not recording from any hardware. That is from an audio interface. You could do the same in a 64 bit system too.  Recording at any bit depth has noting to do with the OS bit depth or the program doing the recording. No hardware supports 64 bits or even 32 bits for digital to analog conversion. The highest bit depth for hardware is 24 bits.

There is a big difference between 64 bit programs that run natively on a 64 bit OS and internal 64 bit processes  and files. A 64 bit plugin may process at 32 bits. Understanding the difference is very important in understanding why one would want 64 bit computing. Even in Sonar X1 you can have it process at 32 bits or 64 bits. This has nothing to do with which audio file bit depth one ends up with. It wont matter which version one chooses - 32 bit X1 or 64 bit X1 either.

Also a 32 bit plugin in a 32 bit host running on a 32 bit OS can process at 64 bits. Ozone did this for years as one example.

As for bitbridged plugins giving one problems the only problem I had was the inability of a bitbridged plugins from going behind a window. This was solved with X1 plus. Otherwise I have had no problems.

I said all that John sorry if my words are a little confusing but you also validate my argument because this is where the computer has to work the hardest.  If I had a 64 audio file, a 64 bit plug and a 64 bit synth and you are right it doesn't matter if it is a 32 bit system or a 64 bit system the system runs better and this is the same if we use a 32 bit example.
 
Yea I know I have confused the issue because 32 bit computing and 64 bit computing and 32 bit recording and 64 bit recording are two different things, sorry I was a little drunk I think when I wrote what I wrote but my point still stands.  The benefits of 64 bit computing are negligible at the moment unless you are going to use a 100 tracks of audio or create a digital orchestra.
 
Ok sorry about that guys!!!

Jonbouy

From the currently running Coffee House 'fun words' thread. Just for the sake of brevity.  Bub you know I luv ya.

Buball (n)- A refuge or sanctuary where one can indulge in ones preferred beliefs free from fear of them being contaminated by facts or other unwelcome foreign influences.

Damn it! If I wouldn't lose my post count, I'd change my name to that!

I haven't even looked at that thread ... question ... has the word Strawman come up yet?

Strawman The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position.

I have this word Jonty but I have no definition as yet...

Acrid acumen??

BenMMusTech

Bub relax, you ain't going to win on this one, I am with you but I can see the benefits of 64 bit, it's just I don't need it a vast majority of the users on this forum don't need it.  The only thing you I and I can do is not let the waters get too muddy!!!

Peace

And you just nailed it on the head ... which is the point I was making that everyone is choosing to ignore and twist ...

Nobody 'needs' x64. When the day comes that software developers do not offer x86 versions of their software ... then we will 'need' x64. As it stands right now everything out there is x86 with an option for x64 (hence all the marketing hype we see advertising 64 bit compatible). And when you mix x86 and x64 requiring Bitbridge, you are just adding one more program to the mix that your system needs to deal with. Plus, Bitbridge has a bug in it (can't remember what it is off the top of my head but if you do a search it's out there. Something to do with unreported latency iirc). So right off the bat, you're using a buggy, prone to crashing piece of software and it's just not worth it.

If you are running massive samples or even a lot of small ones that go over the 4GB limitation then absolutely you'll be better served by a system that can handle more RAM. Do you 'need' it, absolutely not because you can freeze and free up your RAM. And honestly ... with the advent of SSD drivers ... this is all a moot point anyway. Streaming off a drive that is as fast as your RAM has changed the game. I would even venture to say there will come a day when you won't even see a separate RAM and SSD specification. I could see a time when PC's will just be advertised as '20TB Storage', '30TB Storage', etc etc.

Anyway ... everybody chose to misinterpret what I said and have a hay day (or strawday) with it.

At least it's all been very entertaining except for the name calling.