I think we're all on the same page with x64 and projects that take up more than 4GB RAM, but I'll stick by the fact that I see no improvement when staying under 4GB.

The main point I was debating was, it was stated that some projects will not run in 32 bit and all I asked for was specifics because I've never heard of a situation where you can't run a project in 32 bit. Saying you prefer not to freeze your tracks is not a valid excuse for not being able to use 32 bit.

Like I said before, if all my VST's were x64 I would go back to it in a heartbeat, but I'm tired of dealing with Bitbridge.

As for Quicktime being x64 on Mac ... I don't care what MAC does, I run a PC ...

I wasn't aware we needed an "excuse".

As to the main point  you were making it was actually this:

There is absolutely no need for Sonar x64 on any DAW ... period. If you have fallen for the marketing hype and feel the urge to play with it by all means go right ahead. You're just another one in a long line of beta testers who got duped in to thinking x64 is better.

In other words, there are absolutely no uses for it, and anyone who thinks there are is a sucker.

Now quite a lot of people who actually know what they're talking about have put you right on this, you seem to have moved quite a long way from your original position.

I'm quite curious about this marketing hype idea, too. Seeing as how you get both versions on one disk, and there are zero financial benefits to Cakewalk in people using one over the other. As cynical money grubbing tactics go, it doesn't look to be a wildly effective one.

Oh I see ... when you say, "To put it another way: you'll be seeing no real benefits within Sonar ..." that's ok, but when I say it, you call me stupid?

By the way ... we're still waiting for your example of a project you can't open in 32 bit.

I already gave it. My project, the one I'm where I'm working with lots of memory consuming instruments in real time. Not this hypothetical other project where everything is frozen. Though I must throw in the objection that I never said "project you can't open".

This "that's ok when you say it" thing is... I can't tell whether you're just flailing around for scraps of argument here, or whether your level of comprehension of what's under discussion and the points being made about it is actually this low. The latter seems unlikely, but who knows.

We're somewhat left with the fact that you've had to move an extremely long way from your staring position, yet are eager to hang onto slender and unconvincing justification for your generally aggressive and unpleasant attitude throughout the discussion. It's pretty pathetic really.

I don't know diddly about the computer industrys plans, but I have seen enough marketing to understand that whether we all like it or not,eventually,32 bit will be completely phased out. We all will be forced kicking and screaming into a 64 bit world. And when the powers that be in the computer world decide, 64 bit will be discontinued and we will be forced kicking and screaming into the 128 bit world. That observation has been reinforced time and time again to me by my friends who work for computer stores and custom build computers themselves. Just an observation. Not saying one is better than the other.

Bub you have your reasons for sticking in 32 bits. That is valid for you. It is not valid for most everyone else that has moved to 64 bits. The reason so many of us have piped in on this is that you are trying to discourage others from taking the leap to 64 bits. Why do that? You have testimony from lots of us that 64 bits works and works well for us. I and many others have found it better overall to 32 bit computing. Why is that so wrong from your point of view? Even if you have not been happy with 64 bit computing why continue to find it important to stop others from moving on and adopting it?

Its as if you are stuck in the last century thus you want everyone to be also.

You have heard from very good people on this forum stating in effect that they are happy with 64 bits. People have given you good reasons for their happiness. Why wont you accept what they say and simply let it be. You are still able to run 32 bits all you want.

Lets stop this negative nonsense. 

I wonder what Bub's system specs are.

Why don't you post your specs in your sig, Bub?

I'm really curious as to what mobo, Ram, and Processor you are using.

John


Bub you have your reasons for sticking in 32 bits. That is valid for you. It is not valid for most everyone else that has moved to 64 bits. The reason so many of us have piped in on this is that you are trying to discourage others from taking the leap to 64 bits. Why do that? You have testimony from lots of us that 64 bits works and works well for us. I and many others have found it better overall to 32 bit computing. Why is that so wrong from your point of view? Even if you have not been happy with 64 bit computing why continue to find it important to stop others from moving on and adopting it?

Its as if you are stuck in the last century thus you want everyone to be also.

You have heard from very good people on this forum stating in effect that they are happy with 64 bits. People have given you good reasons for their happiness. Why wont you accept what they say and simply let it be. You are still able to run 32 bits all you want.

Lets stop this negative nonsense.

If you actually read and were able to comprehend what the original poster said, he said he uses X1 and plays games. That being the case, there is nothing in X1 that I have come across that utilizes 4GB of RAM because most of the synths stream off the HDD and some things such as Sound Center and a handful of plugins are 32bit only. That's why I responded the way I did. It wasn't a personal insult to you the way you took it, it was a response to a user who is using Sonar X1 in the same way I am and I can tell you from experience he'll see no benefit in Sonar going x64 ... even John T agrees with me on that, "To put it another way: you'll be seeing no real benefits within Sonar ..."

I know you guys like to jump my crap all the time but you really need to start picking and choosing your battles a little better and keep your comments like calling people stupid and demanding they stop at your command, under your hat. If you can't handle being called out then maybe you shouldn't be participating in an open forum?

@thomas:

Intel i5 Quad Core 750 (or 760 cant remember and I'm not at my DAW right now)
4GB RAM (I had 8GB but saw no improvement. I had some bad RAM and decided to trade it all in for more expensive higher quality 2GB sticks totalling 4GB)
Gigabyte Mobo (Sorry sir, I don't remember the model, again, I'm not at my DAW. UDP-2 iirc)
Windows 7 x64
Sonar 8.5.3 X86 and X64
Sonar X1b Build 255 X86 and X64

The only third party software I use is a free L1 Limiter emulator and two free synths from Native Instruments, Reaktor and Prizm. Well, Guitar Rig Pro 4, but that came bundled with 8.5.3.

If you actually read and were able to comprehend what the original poster said, he said he uses X1 and plays games. That being the case, there is nothing in X1 that I have come across that utilizes 4GB of RAM because most of the synths stream off the HDD and some things such as Sound Center and a handful of plugins are 32bit only. That's why I responded the way I did. It wasn't a personal insult to you the way you took it, it was a response to a user who is using Sonar X1 in the same way I am and I can tell you from experience he'll see no benefit in Sonar going x64 ... even John T agrees with me on that, "To put it another way: you'll be seeing no real benefits within Sonar ..."

Bud I am in no way offended. I don't believe I called anyone names or characterized anyone in any fashion. I have offered facts and that you should read some past posts on this subject in order to get the full picture. I think I have been reasonable in how I have approached this. Why would you say that I am not able to comprehend something? Do you expect me to attack you for that? Is it meant to bate me? It wont work Bud.

There is way to much information on 64 bit Sonar and how beneficial it is for you to be so negative about it. One day you too will bite the bullet and go full 64 bits. Its only a matter of time.