2014/02/06 18:03:02
kev11111111111111
clintmartin
I'm currently looking and researching this too, so let me know if you find something and I'll do the same. Here's a couple more.
http://www.atriummusic.com/
http://www.live365.com/musiclibrary/license_agreement.live
 




Hey !
Yes I came across Atrium today in a search.The only problem I had was that they don't do the mastering.They expect the writer to do the mastering plus their website takes a while to load (Maybe my connection,but if not it rings alarm bells !!!!!)
 Its better to work with companies that do the mastering in house ? I've just worked on an album for these,they do the mastering in house - http://www.boommusic.tv/
I'll check out the live365 link. Much obliged and good luck in your search too.
Kev
 
 
 
2014/02/06 18:08:42
kev11111111111111
craigb
I tried to have a music library once but, every time I began to play a sample, some crusty old lady with weird glasses would run up and say "Shh!" 


 
LOL.My girlfriend is exactly the same ......weird glasses and all :)
2014/02/07 08:48:57
Guitarhacker
Music production libraries...... lots of them out there. Some good, some not.
 
I have been a member of TAXI at various times. (currently not a member) The thing with TAXI, aside from the high cost of getting access to the listings, is that the screeners can be all over the board on what they forward and return.
 
Example: I sent in 2 songs to a listing. One was forwarded and one was returned. On most forwards, you never hear from the "end user" at all, so imagine my surprise when I got an email a few days later from the library expressing interest. A phone call later, I sent them a total of 3 songs. The forwarded one, as well as the returned one and a third I didn't submit. They signed all 3 songs. I've sent them many more songs since.
 
Taxi likes to convince people that they are the only game in town when they are clearly not. I get offers and listings from several other sources that do not require a membership to submit songs. One such place is Film Music Jobwire. It has a membership option but for a slightly higher submission fee per song, you can opt not to join and still submit. One thing I must say about TAXI is that they do seem to have a good reputation in the music biz since they are constantly getting new listings for music. Some of the others, while free, and less expensive to join, don't seem to have nearly as many opportunities. But, all it takes is for one or two listings from any source to get you in the door with some good libraries, and you can submit directly to them at any time. Some will even email to their writers directly asking for certain styles of music as the need arises. That's when it gets interesting.
 
I saw an interesting FMJ listing and submitted one song which I wrote specifically for the listing in question. I figured ahhhh what the heck... it's only 6 bux..... I received an email the very next day from the library president stating that the song I submitted couldn't have been any  closer to the mark for what they were seeking and expressing a desire to work with me. Long story short, I signed, and over the next several weeks, I worked my butt off in the studio as I wrote and submitted a total of 41 songs and cues to this library for a hugely popular a A&E reality show. Whether the music is picked up by the show's producers or not is yet to be seen. ( I have not posted any of these songs or cues in the forums here for people to hear) This was in the last half of November and the first half of December.
 
It's a numbers game with the libraries. The more music you have in a large number of good libraries, the better your chances are to get something cut...... generally speaking.
 
I just signed with a new library that is currently working with 10 different TV shows and some film production companies. This library was referred to me by a songwriter friend who had 2 songs placed in a reality TV show within just a few months of signing with this library. I'm submitting specifically chosen, full songs to this one.
 
Anything you send to a production library has to be a finished, radio ready product. They are not going to record it again. That's your job. The bar is high when it comes to production and quality, but from the work I hear  in the Songs forum, many folks are at, or near that level.
 
My suggestion to folks wanting to start placing music with libraries is to listen to..... not watch, but listen to the TV shows. Learn exactly what they are looking for in music. Generally, it's not what most folks are writing. Can you write and record a 5 second cue, a 10 second cue, a 25 second cue?  Full songs are rare in TV shows.
 
That educational thing is where TAXI really excels. They even have a live streaming TV show where Michael Laskow (TAXI president) hosts a number of guests and takes questions from the watching audience. That is free as well.  Much of their educational stuff is free as is their forums. In the forums there are a number of folks who drop in on occasion who actually make a decent living in the production music business. Don't ask them for the library names they work with because they aren't giving that info up. It was hard won info. You hear about the "A-list" and "B-list" libraries from time to time. The "A-list" ones are like Nashville publishers. They only work from referrals, and TAXI is the referring company in this case.  I'm in one "A-list" library.
The "B-list" libraries are more open to working with people not referred to them after they audition some of your music and find the production and quality to be above the bar. I'm in a bunch of those libraries. They can place your songs just as efficiently as the "A-listers". The A-list libraries tend to limit the number of writers they work with so that once there, you have a better chance of getting a cut since you're not simply a face in a huge crowd like you would be at say Pump Audio and some of the others.
 
Lots of production music libraries are on the net. Google search them. Have the music radio ready. Make instrumental mixes of vocal songs ready to go.
The net royalties should be a 50/50 split. Most libraries offer 100% writers share to you and keep 100% publishers share for them. To earn a higher percentage, the publisher would need to be placing and getting cuts in very lucrative projects. Then it would be worth giving them a bigger cut. Otherwise, no.
 
One other thing about production libraries. Exclusive, or non-exclusive? Most of the a-list libraries want the songs on an exclusive basis. Many others will sign non-exclusive deals with you.  The best policy for the writer is to avoid the temptation to sign the non-exclusive deal and place that same song with 6 or more other non-exclusive libraries. Treat every deal as an exclusive deal.  If you don't think that library can place your song, why are you signing with them then in the first place? The producer's time is limited, and having 2 libraries submit the same exact song to the same project simply wastes their time. It can cause conflicts with the libraries as well. 
 
In summing up,  write lots of music and keep the production quality high, and get it into as many libraries as you can. Keep writing. A popular TAXI slogan is:
 
||:  WRITE, SUBMIT, FORGET, REPEAT  :||
2014/02/07 10:25:10
craigb
Nice post Danny! Herb! 

2014/02/07 16:08:07
kev11111111111111
Guitarhacker
Music production libraries...... lots of them out there. Some good, some not.
 
I have been a member of TAXI at various times. (currently not a member) The thing with TAXI, aside from the high cost of getting access to the listings, is that the screeners can be all over the board on what they forward and return.
 
Example: I sent in 2 songs to a listing. One was forwarded and one was returned. On most forwards, you never hear from the "end user" at all, so imagine my surprise when I got an email a few days later from the library expressing interest. A phone call later, I sent them a total of 3 songs. The forwarded one, as well as the returned one and a third I didn't submit. They signed all 3 songs. I've sent them many more songs since.
 
Taxi likes to convince people that they are the only game in town when they are clearly not. I get offers and listings from several other sources that do not require a membership to submit songs. One such place is Film Music Jobwire. It has a membership option but for a slightly higher submission fee per song, you can opt not to join and still submit. One thing I must say about TAXI is that they do seem to have a good reputation in the music biz since they are constantly getting new listings for music. Some of the others, while free, and less expensive to join, don't seem to have nearly as many opportunities. But, all it takes is for one or two listings from any source to get you in the door with some good libraries, and you can submit directly to them at any time. Some will even email to their writers directly asking for certain styles of music as the need arises. That's when it gets interesting.
 
I saw an interesting FMJ listing and submitted one song which I wrote specifically for the listing in question. I figured ahhhh what the heck... it's only 6 bux..... I received an email the very next day from the library president stating that the song I submitted couldn't have been any  closer to the mark for what they were seeking and expressing a desire to work with me. Long story short, I signed, and over the next several weeks, I worked my butt off in the studio as I wrote and submitted a total of 41 songs and cues to this library for a hugely popular a A&E reality show. Whether the music is picked up by the show's producers or not is yet to be seen. ( I have not posted any of these songs or cues in the forums here for people to hear) This was in the last half of November and the first half of December.
 
It's a numbers game with the libraries. The more music you have in a large number of good libraries, the better your chances are to get something cut...... generally speaking.
 
I just signed with a new library that is currently working with 10 different TV shows and some film production companies. This library was referred to me by a songwriter friend who had 2 songs placed in a reality TV show within just a few months of signing with this library. I'm submitting specifically chosen, full songs to this one.
 
Anything you send to a production library has to be a finished, radio ready product. They are not going to record it again. That's your job. The bar is high when it comes to production and quality, but from the work I hear  in the Songs forum, many folks are at, or near that level.
 
My suggestion to folks wanting to start placing music with libraries is to listen to..... not watch, but listen to the TV shows. Learn exactly what they are looking for in music. Generally, it's not what most folks are writing. Can you write and record a 5 second cue, a 10 second cue, a 25 second cue?  Full songs are rare in TV shows.
 
That educational thing is where TAXI really excels. They even have a live streaming TV show where Michael Laskow (TAXI president) hosts a number of guests and takes questions from the watching audience. That is free as well.  Much of their educational stuff is free as is their forums. In the forums there are a number of folks who drop in on occasion who actually make a decent living in the production music business. Don't ask them for the library names they work with because they aren't giving that info up. It was hard won info. You hear about the "A-list" and "B-list" libraries from time to time. The "A-list" ones are like Nashville publishers. They only work from referrals, and TAXI is the referring company in this case.  I'm in one "A-list" library.
The "B-list" libraries are more open to working with people not referred to them after they audition some of your music and find the production and quality to be above the bar. I'm in a bunch of those libraries. They can place your songs just as efficiently as the "A-listers". The A-list libraries tend to limit the number of writers they work with so that once there, you have a better chance of getting a cut since you're not simply a face in a huge crowd like you would be at say Pump Audio and some of the others.
 
Lots of production music libraries are on the net. Google search them. Have the music radio ready. Make instrumental mixes of vocal songs ready to go.
The net royalties should be a 50/50 split. Most libraries offer 100% writers share to you and keep 100% publishers share for them. To earn a higher percentage, the publisher would need to be placing and getting cuts in very lucrative projects. Then it would be worth giving them a bigger cut. Otherwise, no.
 
One other thing about production libraries. Exclusive, or non-exclusive? Most of the a-list libraries want the songs on an exclusive basis. Many others will sign non-exclusive deals with you.  The best policy for the writer is to avoid the temptation to sign the non-exclusive deal and place that same song with 6 or more other non-exclusive libraries. Treat every deal as an exclusive deal.  If you don't think that library can place your song, why are you signing with them then in the first place? The producer's time is limited, and having 2 libraries submit the same exact song to the same project simply wastes their time. It can cause conflicts with the libraries as well. 
 
In summing up,  write lots of music and keep the production quality high, and get it into as many libraries as you can. Keep writing. A popular TAXI slogan is:
 
||:  WRITE, SUBMIT, FORGET, REPEAT  :||


Hey 
With regards to Taxi and Film music jobwire  I wouldn't consider either as both require the producer / composer to pay to get their work heard. It's great you had some success,but more often than not,if you google these companies they get a lot of bad press. Some people who have used Film Music Jobwire have complained that they've had no feedback what so ever from tracks they've paid to submit !!! I think it's great you were one of the lucky ones,but it's not a path I'd go down myself.
 
I've sold quite a few tracks to libraries already,so I'm familiar with the way they work and what they expect.I totally agree ,it is a numbers game and its about perseverance really...and lots of it !! The biggies in the UK are Atmosphere,De Wolfe,Cavendish etc. The big libraries tend to have the backing of the big publishers,EMI,Universal etc. I've worked with a couple of big libraries in the UK ,I know this is where the real money is for sure.I've always sent tracks out to just a few labels in the past,maybe 4 or 5,but I think now I want to get as many tracks out there as possible so I need to look at who else can push my music. I'm aiming at doing 3 X 10 track albums a year so that in 5 years I'll have an extra 150 tracks in circulation.This is why I'm thinking of approaching and researching new libraries..
 
Thanks for your post !
 
Kev
2014/02/07 16:11:44
bapu
jamesg1213
The only experience I've had is with Pump Audio. Got some tunes accepted, sent them the tracks..never heard another word from them. That was approx 5 years ago. Don't know what conclusions can be drawn from that.


They work slowly?
2014/02/07 16:12:29
bapu
kev11111111111111
Jeff Evans
Another option is to join TAXI in the US and get them to send your stuff to the US based libraries. There are many more of them over there you know.
 
Have you contacted QUEST in the UK as well. I believe they are pretty good.
 
http://www.qwpm.co.uk/
 
 


Hey Jeff
 
I've heard of Taxi but I feel a bit uncomfortable about paying for their services to be honest. I heard they do advertise gigs and jobs but you have to pay to go for each one (as well as the membership)....it just doesnt seem that fair :( Have you worked with them and had results ?
 
I'll check out QUEST now !!!!!! Thanks ever so much for the pointer :)
 
Kev
 


Herb (guitarhacker) is a TAXI member.
2014/02/07 18:20:38
craigb
bapu
kev11111111111111
Jeff Evans
Another option is to join TAXI in the US and get them to send your stuff to the US based libraries. There are many more of them over there you know.
 
Have you contacted QUEST in the UK as well. I believe they are pretty good.
 
http://www.qwpm.co.uk/
 
 


Hey Jeff
 
I've heard of Taxi but I feel a bit uncomfortable about paying for their services to be honest. I heard they do advertise gigs and jobs but you have to pay to go for each one (as well as the membership)....it just doesnt seem that fair :( Have you worked with them and had results ?
 
I'll check out QUEST now !!!!!! Thanks ever so much for the pointer :)
 
Kev
 


Herb (guitarhacker) is a TAXI member.




You mean like Rev. Jim???
 

2014/02/07 19:53:35
joekeeyinyang
jamesg1213
The only experience I've had is with Pump Audio. Got some tunes accepted, sent them the tracks..never heard another word from them. That was approx 5 years ago. Don't know what conclusions can be drawn from that.


They were bought by Getty Images.  You will find your music there.
2014/02/09 09:49:52
Guitarhacker
Actually, I was a TAXI member but currently I am not. I'm currently not affiliated with any membership organizations at all...... that's always subject to change but currently.... nope.
 
I don't have a problem paying a submittal fee..... as it keeps everybody and their brother from sending every song they ever wrote to a listing whether it fits the listing or not.  $6 to submit to FMJ is not bad.  $5 to submit to Taxi once you're a member is not bad. That membership fee at TAXI is the killer.  Taxi says that 90% of their rejections come from people submitting songs that do not fit the listing. Sending a vocal tune to an instrumental listing or sending a metal rock tune to a bluegrass listing, and yeah it happens all the time. Imagine what it would be like if there were no submittal fee.
 
In my last year of membership with Taxi, I submitted a number of tunes and not a single one was forwarded, and that was with paying attention to the details of the specs and genre, and everything else. The year before that had a number of tunes forwarded.....I submitted 5 to one listing in particular and had ALL 5 forwarded. And I heard exactly nothing from the other end.....
 
As far as people on the other end getting back to you...... Hey, this is the music business.  Yes, projects often take a long time to get ready. For any given listing call that a producer gives..... for example, the one where I submitted 41 cues to the huge TV show..... I would wager they get thousands upon thousands of cues submitted for that one listing. The job of screening them goes to some lower level staffers. They decide the ones that might work and ones that might not fit exactly. There is no way on this green earth that they are going to send regrets to each and every writer or publisher who gets turned down.  No one has the time for that. So as the songwriter, setting in your studio..... you hear..... crickets from the other end.
 
Even taxi and FMJ tell you they don't review the songs for feedback in most cases. You can get that as an additional service. NSAI, on the other hand exists for that specific purpose of feedback and critiques,  BUT, they are not primarily in the referral business unless the song is really, really outstanding and grabs the staff in a certain way. I had a tune classified as ready to pitch.... then .... I got no help what so ever in referrals to a publisher who might actually be  interested in the "ready to pitch" song. Why would I want to be a member if they're not going to at least give me a name and tell the guy to expect a call from me about a really good song I wrote?
 
It's a rare thing in my experience to actually get a rejection letter from anyone in this biz. It's even rarer to get notice that your stuff is being used. Very often, the only way you find that out is when the mail carrier delivers your PRO statement and royalty check, or the publisher notifies you that your song is on hold or was cut for a certain project where some fairly decent money is involved...... no one's calling you to tell you that your song just made you $5 for a 5 second source cue in a tv show on cable.
 
 
later....
© 2025 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1

Use My Existing Forum Account

Use My Social Media Account