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2014/06/19 09:24:20
lawp
Mr Anderson is the cakewalk cheerleader, of course he said what you needed to hear ;-)
2014/06/19 14:18:30
Wookiee
CakeAlexS
@Wookiee I'm not aware of any regression bugs from X3D. Here are the outstanding X3E issues we know about (what is your issue?)
http://forum.cakewalk.com...aspx?m=3009969&p=1 (first post)... Thanks.

My s p e c ific problem is that the Arturia's VST3 Oberhiem SEM V will not load and causes a crash if you try.  I am aware that others have had problems with other Arturia VST3's and that some others have had problems with other suppliers VST3's.  Arturia say it is to do with the way SONAR checks authorisation of said VST3.  
 
Arturia have acknowledge that there is a problem but imply that the fix should be sorted by Cakewalk and the "work around" is to downgrade to Producer version D.  I have yet to have a response from Cakewalk support, every time I go to my error report it says awaiting further information but I have not received an email asking for anything even though I have asked.
 
Here is my report number CWBRN-25791
2014/06/19 14:33:13
Splat
OK this is starting to make sense. Check referals to VST3 here, there were code changes and maybe Arturia needs to play catchup:
http://www.cakewalk.com/S...13361/SONAR-X3e-Update

This appears to be a specific Arturia issue here regardless of who's fault it is. Other VST3's appear to work well with X3E. Cheers...
2014/06/19 15:08:02
Anderton
lawp
Mr Anderson is the cakewalk cheerleader, of course he said what you needed to hear ;-)



If I gave you the numbers, then you'd understand the basis for my optimism is more than cheerleading 
 
Note that I don't just provide what (I hope) are solutions in these forums, I confirm if there is indeed a problem should people be experiencing one so they don't spend time trying to find a solution that doesn't exist.
 
You'll also note I'm a big fan of Ableton Live, a program I've mentioned often and favorably in this forum, so I'm a non-denominational cheerleader  And by the way, THEIR numbers are very good as well...they're not going away anytime soon, either.
 
2014/06/19 15:40:54
LA2A
Tried the trial version of Live 9 for the first time ever two weeks ago, then i wrote to Ableton and asked them if they were on drugs and told them their interface methodology was the worst i've ever seen in a DAW, they replied with the predictable. It was all excuses from where i'm standing.
 
The interface had me stumped from the outset, i didn't get a single thing done, I couldn't be bothered persisting with it; i've used other DAWs to make entire songs without ever consulting the instruction manual, so i refuse to go with quirky interfaces that claim to be different but better. Fact is no one can reinvent the wheel, simple as that, so that's my philosophy in relation to DAWs, some things are timeless and should remain within a certain framework IMO.
 
If a DAW isn't intuitive to me from the get-go, i dump it on its ass quicksmart, they can shove it where the sun don't shine. Between Sonar and Cubase i'm in heaven. Pro Tools has no appeal to me, neither do any other DAWs, including Motu DP8 or Samplitude. When i'm onto a good thing, why go looking for greener grass when all i'll find is sunburnt hay and stubble LOL.
 
If one was to drive an F1 car for pure performance, everything else is simply a down-grade from there. Cubase and Sonar are my F1 cars.
2014/06/19 15:50:41
Anderton
Wookiee
 
Well Graig it did not take me 3 to 4 months either but we have had five maintenance patches

 
Not just maintenance; there were also enhancements that added dynamic updates of folders to show content added externally, created a media bin in the browser for the current project, incorporated Microsoft's new video engine while allowing you to still use the old one for backward compatibility, changed initialization to default to an ASIO driver if one was present, exposed MIDI out automatically for MIDI-out compatible plug-ins instead of having to do it manually, eliminated some timeouts, automatically instantiated the TTS-1 if you opened a MIDI file and no MIDI output ports were available, made the VST Scanner compatible with Vista even though it's not a supported OS, resized track control widgets dynamically, cleaned up several interface elements in X3d, added more localization translations, allowed automatic reversion to DirectShow if trying to open a video with compatibility problems, added several new accelerators to the Browser, etc. Although the vast majority of changes related to fixes, some of which were relatively esoteric or discovered only when Sonar got into the hands of enough people in the field, to be fair the patches have done more than just fixes.
 
There are plenty of programs that could have used more maintenance patches, but Cakewalk actually did them. To me, that's a positive as opposed to ignoring the requests for fixes, which would be a negative.
 
the last has broken something that was working in "D".

 
The jury's still out on that, VST3 is a bit of a moving target; see Alex's posts. Other VST3 instruments working fine in Sonar seems to imply the issue is deeper than just a simple yes/no compatibility problem.
 
What I am saying is do we really need a yearly release of a "New" product.  Would it not perhaps be a little better to have say a two year cycle with a more robust product from day one. 



While I certainly see your point there are two places where reality intrudes. With a few exceptions the industry is on an update schedule that averages out to about once a year, so Sonar has to be sufficiently agile to keep up. If users had to wait two years for Sonar to implement features that allow it to remain with competitive with other companies while dealing with fixes of ever-decreasing relevance to the majority of users, that would be problematic for keeping the company afloat. The other issue is that many of the fixes didn't become apparent until Sonar was out in the field for awhile. A program with Sonar's flexibility can be used in many different ways and some users may or may not have workflows that expose particular bugs. Also, sometimes problems occur after a release, like changes in Avid's Fast Track drivers that Sonar needed to accommodate. Unfortunately other companies don't key their changes to Sonar's release schedule. The Arturia issue might fall into this category; I just continue using the VST2 versions of Arturia's synths.
 
Most people seem pleased with X3's stability and Cakewalk's dedication to making it more so. There's always a balance that needs to be struck between not ignoring the past while preparing for the future; I think Cakewalk is doing a very good job of walking that fine line, but wouldn't expect everyone to agree.
2014/06/19 18:11:57
Mosvalve
LA2A
 If a DAW isn't intuitive to me from the get-go, i dump it on its ass quicksmart, they can shove it where the sun don't shine. Between Sonar and Cubase i'm in heaven. Pro Tools has no appeal to me, neither do any other DAWs, including Motu DP8 or Samplitude. When i'm onto a good thing, why go looking for greener grass when all i'll find is sunburnt hay and stubble LOL.
 

+1 to that. Between ProTools, Studio One and Sonar X1, 2 and 3, immediately With Sonar I was able to find my way around and get a song done. It was like It was desinged just for me. I'm so special, yes I am.
2014/06/19 18:19:57
Silicon Audio
AT
I like the idea of a stink plugin.  Kind of compliments the suck plugin, but in aromarama.



All the best musicians get it right before the mixing stage.  I prefer to stink and suck at the tracking stage rather than "fix it in the mix".  I find my playing stinks and sucks enough without having to resort to plugins.
2014/06/19 18:52:19
SvenArne
I'm a big fan of Cake's yearly cycle. I like getting the studio refurbished every fall. And migrating projects has never been a problem for me. Plus, Cake's just getting into form with X3; I believe SONAR X8.5.3 is going to be pretty awesome!
2014/06/19 20:14:55
BJN
I'd like a chance to get practiced with X3 before being sold on whats new in X4.
I am more than happy with X3 with the updates thick and fast, the service, outstanding.
 
It might seem more stable to maintain the current release, which is attracting new and
seasoned users alike than risk being avaricious with a less than spectacular product upgrade.
 
But,
being solvent is good business and it is a pattern unlikely to be broken unless there is a game
changer in the pipeline.
 
I think it will be business as usual. 
 
 
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