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2017/08/25 18:52:15
ljb500
Brando
Nice tip Craig. Like Zargg I need to take another fresh look at Matrix View. To ljb500 : there are a lot of ways to do 'this'. Phatmatik Pro used to be my favourite tool for this but alas is only 32 bit and has been retired. I think the built in (maybe not anymore?) Cyclone does it too as long as the loop is acidized before import. But automapping each slice is less helpful than selecting only desired slices and mapping those specifically to desired midi keys or using the slices elsewhere.
Nice!


Cyclone is a joke. Sonar needs a decent integrated sampler that can deal with acid loops in the appropriate way.
2017/08/25 19:42:58
dubdisciple
Maybe i will have another look at matrix view
2017/08/25 20:01:33
Anderton
dubdisciple
Maybe i will have another look at matrix view



I just figured out something really interesting about it. I had thought you couldn't save a template with a blank Matrix View that would retain MIDI learn assignments. So, if you wanted to use it as a sampler as described in my tip, that would mean re-assigning each cell every time. However, I found that if even one cell contains a loop, then the Matrix View will remember MIDI Learn assignments for all cells, whether empty or not. This is pretty cool if you want to save a template where the cells are pre-assigned to something like a Novation Launchpad or whatever.
2017/08/25 22:25:48
Brando
ljb500
Brando
Nice tip Craig. Like Zargg I need to take another fresh look at Matrix View. To ljb500 : there are a lot of ways to do 'this'. Phatmatik Pro used to be my favourite tool for this but alas is only 32 bit and has been retired. I think the built in (maybe not anymore?) Cyclone does it too as long as the loop is acidized before import. But automapping each slice is less helpful than selecting only desired slices and mapping those specifically to desired midi keys or using the slices elsewhere.
Nice!


Cyclone is a joke. Sonar needs a decent integrated sampler that can deal with acid loops in the appropriate way.

Wasn't an endorsement. I don't think Cyclone is/(was) a "joke" at all. Just badly in need of updating.
2017/08/26 00:49:50
chuckebaby
Great tip. Will be very useful in the future.
2017/08/26 04:49:49
gswitz
I got a tip!!
 
Try this one...
https://youtu.be/NQRrKgalJEQ
 
Useful for blending between two synths by turning a panning nob.
2017/08/26 10:43:12
fcarosone
Brilliant! Apart from precision in a custom slicing (in LCV), there is  one more advantage of having the process inside Sonar, which is speed (some vst samplers need time just to open, to initialize a new empty instrument, drag'n'drop is not guaranteed so you need to open a browser to navigate to the loop).
 
Two minor questions:
1. With the whole loop selected, I hit tab and S, then the selection goes to the left side of the cursor, so I need to select the right side of the cursor (containing the part of the loop that has yet to be sliced) before hitting tab and S again. Your video was amazingly fast because the right side keeps always the selection. Where do you set the option, on splitting, to keep the right part selected?
2. drag'n'drop of individual slices to Session Drummer 3 and Rapture Pro worked fine. When I drag to Matrix View the cell plays the whole loop. Which option should be set there? From your video you don't seem to trim the individual clips nor bounce to clip.
 
2017/08/26 15:10:56
chuckebaby
fcarosone
 Your video was amazingly fast because the right side keeps always the selection. Where do you set the option, on splitting, to keep the right part selected?

In preferences/Editing/clips/Selection after split. The default is left, change it to right.

 
 
fcarosone
2. drag'n'drop of individual slices to Session Drummer 3 and Rapture Pro worked fine. When I drag to Matrix View the cell plays the whole loop. Which option should be set there? From your video you don't seem to trim the individual clips nor bounce to clip.

 
Select all clips after they are all split / right click on any slice and choose "Apply trimming" / They will all be trimmed.
2017/08/26 18:19:36
fcarosone
Thanks for the clue to the right-selection option in splitting, but the 2nd issue is not answered yet, when I drag a slice into Matrix View it plays the whole loop. In Craig Anderton's video, he does not trim (and I actually see that the trim applies to audio clips but not groove clips). I guess it must be a matter of Matrix View opts before dragging
2017/08/26 20:15:55
chuckebaby
fcarosone
 and I actually see that the trim applies to audio clips but not groove clips.



You can actually see what now ? by watching the video ?
 
I believe I asked the same question here
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3648045
 
I didn't see him applying trimming in the video, so Im guessing that when dropping a slice in the matrix, it will play the clip (and the slip edited data), not just the slice if trimming is not applied.
 
Hence my reply to -Select all / -Right click on a slice/ -Choose "Apply trimming".
 
fcarosone
I guess it must be a matter of Matrix View opts before dragging

 
I Don't think there is one.
 
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