• SONAR
  • Big announcements coming June 1st, 2016 (p.129)
2016/06/01 11:52:21
Jim Roseberry
forkol
 
This is so true, but it just got me thinking....maybe you can now get into making Hackintoshes.
It might not be a bad idea.  I know from a support issue it might painful, but from what I've been reading about them for DAW use, many people are running stable systems and you can put much more power than what you can get with a regular Mac for far, far less money.
 
I'm going to now consider building one now just to see if I can get Sonar Mac running on it.  



FWIW, I built a nice Hackintosh.
If you like solving problems/puzzles, it is fun/educational.  
Some things work well... others don't.
You are by definition running a hacked OS.
 
ie: If you want to run VE Pro as a slave, the LAN drivers for Hackintosh don't support Jumbo-Frames.
On a real Mac, the LAN port supports Jumbo-Frames.
When running Win10 on the same hardware, the LAN port supports Jumbo-Frames.
 
Running VE Pro as a slave (with disk-streaming sample libraries being routed back to the Master via LAN), this makes a huge difference.
 
While a Hackintosh does solve the "custom configuration" facet, you're left with a machine that's not a PC and not quite a Mac.    While everything "works"... you find that some things don't work as well as the real deal.
Any future update to OSX can foul up your configuration.
Then, there are the legal issues.  No biggie if you're just experimenting and having fun.
For a business, it would be a hornets-nest of legal/support issues.  
 
If Apple allowed complete customization of hardware... and got rid of iTunes (Big Brother), I'd feel a lot different.
 
 
 
 
 
 
2016/06/01 11:53:00
LANEY
Seems like a good deal! LIFETIME BABY!
2016/06/01 11:53:53
JayCee99
I see that "Plugin Browser enhancements" is now listed.  What happened to the "Library / Browser" enhancements that was listed previously?  I was really excited about the whole library / browser being re-vamped.
2016/06/01 11:54:39
John
The upcoming features look darn good. I like most of them. This may turn out to be a great year for Sonar and CW!
2016/06/01 11:54:42
azslow3
Jari
SilverBlueMedallion
ProjectM
I will never look at Windows again as soon as I have MacSonar installed!

what is wrong with Windows?

Microsoft

Is it worse then Apple?
 
MAC == PC build from limited set of components. In general good quality components, that is why people think MAC is more stable then (arbitrary) "PC". But Apple does not care about "long live", it gives extreme short warranty period compare to usual PC equivalents, and many MACs are failing 1-2 month after this period is over. The "bundle" is also extreme overpriced (just "construct" a PC using the same components as in some MAC in any on-line store to see the price of the Apple sign and OSX).
 
So the only difference is in OS. Are Windows, OSX and Linux really different? In small details only. OSX almost natively runs Linux apps, Linux can run most Windows apps and Windows has almost complete Linux apps set. Do you see what is not there? Linux and Windows are not running OSX apps, at least I am not aware about such software. Just to be complete, Android is different. It is special Java virtual machine running under Linux
 
 
2016/06/01 11:55:23
The Grim
meh . . . at least i got lifetime updates out of this for a cheap price, so if i ever decide to come back to using sonar i'm all set, until if and when that happens i'm staying with my other daw
2016/06/01 11:55:34
Jim Roseberry
berlymahn
That said, this whole marketing "wait until June 1st" thing (for all us Windows-based Sonar users), now feels a bit like finding out that the super-hot blind date we've been looking forward to having sex with, is actually a guy.
 
A really hot guy, but still, a guy.  Ha!
 
Well played, Cakewalk.  Well played.



Don't know if I would have thought about it that way... but yeah.  
2016/06/01 11:57:44
forkol
Mac Support:  My thoughts...
 
It's going to be a challenge for Cakewalk to grab market share enough to make Mac development worthwhile.  Most initial interest will be in those PC users that actually want to move to MAC, or a brand-new Mac user that is not already satisfied with their choices already.   In other words, Cake would need to get market share from Logic, Live, Studio One, and Pro Tools. I don't see them pulling many from Logic and Live, mainly because Logic is almost given away in price, and I believe Live users are their for the clip views.  Studio One you might pick off a few.  Pro Tools, well, if you're still using it on a Mac, you are probably going to keep using it.
 
Feature wise, the 1st release of Sonar Mac will have to go up against DAW's that have quite a bit of head start in that space.   And I know I've seen the comments from Bakers saying this won't affect PC users in terms of quality or support, but I would have a very difficult time believing that.  Any resource spent on creating/supporting a Mac version could have been also used to fix or create new features for PC users.  If you're of the mind that having this on the Mac will create new customers to help fund this, well, I'm having a hard time RIGHT NOW in seeing the economics in this to 'flip' a user to Sonar MAC.
 
I think for this to be successful, it's going to take a LOT of work, support and money, money, money.  It's going to have to pretty stable coming out, and it's going to have to have compelling features AND also a compelling price point.  You have to make the price very competitive in order to attract new users.  It's a lot to have to try to get right.  Best case, you are successful enough so that you're at least a 3rd, 4th, 5th place player against Logic and Live.  Worst case, you have another Project 5-level failure that could end up sinking Cakewalk.  
2016/06/01 11:58:58
e.Blue
This is indeed GREAT news! The only reason that I'm still on the PC platform is that I have about 20 years of experience using SONAR and its fore-bearers. During that time I've created hundreds of .CWB and .CWP projects. Despite also owning just about every other major DAW including Pro Tools, Logic, Studio One, Ableton, none of them can touch SONAR when it comes to workflow. 
However, lately I've been growing increasingly concerned about the lag in audio hardware support on the PC platform. Several major hardware vendors have hot products that simply cannot be fully-utilized on modern PCs. This includes Universal Audio's latest Apollo rack-mount interfaces, Slate's Raven touch consoles and Avid's latest control surfaces. Currently when new audio interfaces are announced, it's not uncommon for PC support to lag by years, as was the case for Mark of the Unicorn's AVB line. The bottom line is that Microsoft has lost a lot of ground in the audio market by not fully-supporting Thunderbolt at the OS level. 
Ironically, this may be changing soon as Microsoft is finally finishing up a brand new Thunderbolt audio stack which is based around USB 3.1/C and promises to greatly simplify what developers need to do to get their hardware up and running on Windowa 10 PCs.
I think that finally having SONAR on the Mac platform will open it up to an entire new generation of DAW users. 
2016/06/01 11:59:07
TerraSin
PilotGavI'm happy that Cakey is now working on a Mac version... but I have to say they really blew it on the marketing side
 
All this buildup for two future changes, and a new way to pay for the product today.
 
I'm happy they did all this, but they just wasted a marketing tool that you can only blow once.

I kind of agree here. We're still months away from the Mac client actually being available. It would have been better to wait until they could download it immediately. Nice to know it will be available but a lot of people will likely forget about it by Autumn. I still stand by my comment that handing out an Alpha/Beta client to users who aren't knowledgeable in testing is a HUGE mistake.
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