• SONAR
  • Big announcements coming June 1st, 2016 (p.133)
2016/06/01 12:48:27
bluesplayer
1)  Lifetime updates - great! (got secret email over a week ago) - but held off until other big "shoe" dropped - now wondering if having a SPLIT user base is a wise move and how will it impact PC users (so I will be TBD on the $99 lifetime update)
 
2) Don’t care about Mac's or Apple  Duh, that's why I don’t use a Mac DAW and why I'm here and have been SINCE DOS.
 
Frankly keep hoping to read they went under and this time MS won’t help bail them out like in 90's
http://www.wired.com/2009/08/dayintech_0806/
 
3) Since CW is (was at least) a PC product - why did CW flood all of us PC users with a hype email campaign over a Mac OS product? I could understand if they bulk emailed Mac users but why us?
 
4)  And for all those that think this strengthens the Sonar developer & support base - it's like saying your gas car will get better maintenance because they now have to service diesel cars as well.  Unless CW hires additional staff to do Mac OS programming, troubleshooting, help support, etc. Sonar PC users may see help, fixes, core improvements/updates diluted or slowed - Just sayin'
2016/06/01 12:50:37
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
Just to give a heads up - because I've seen the question come up a few times across our social media channels. 

You will not need to purchase a Windows AND Mac SONAR license, after the OSX Alpha/Beta period.
 
One license to rule them all ... 
2016/06/01 12:52:15
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Rocsee70
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Thanks Andrew.  What is the right "SKU"?
 



I think we have to wait until all their pricing matches the official one from Cakewalk. I.e. upgrade from (any) Producer or Platinum would be $199. This is the link I got from the JRR mail but right now it's still the old SKUs : https://www.jrrshop.com/computer-software/daw-software/sonar-platinum?arrow=1&dir=asc&limit=all&order=news_from_date . Their mail did mention extra discount in cart, so I think that's their Group Buy discount which would bring the price down from $199 to $169.




Thanks Rocsee70, but that doesn't tell us what the right "SKU" is, so we don't make a mistake...whether buying from JRR or any other distributer.  For example, the name of the product directly from Cakewalk appears to be "SONAR Platinum (with Lifetime Updates)", but I don't see that name listed on any other web site....and I'm not sure that's considered a SKU anyway.
 
Can someone from Cakewalk help out?
 
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2016/06/01 12:55:40
anxiousmofo
I'm admittedly underwhelmed by the slated updates, but am happy about the lifetime, which I bought on announcement.  I despise Apple and am sad that its users will get access to SONAR after killing Camel Audio and making the new Alchemy for Apple users only, but I hope it will be good for Cakewalk.  Aside from lifetime, I deem this a "middling announcement;" certainly not huge.
 
Sad to see no announcement re Matrix View.  I guess it can stay dying in the corner.  At least with my lifetime SONAR updates, I can direct that money to Ableton. I don't want to, but so it goes.
 
I am confused, though, by the push to get people on Platinum, while all slated updates will address all three tiers of the software.  There is nothing unique to Platinum.  I guess lifetime is the only "Platinum-unique" draw for users to continue with Platinum, at least for now.
2016/06/01 13:01:35
hevanw
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Thanks Rocsee70, but that doesn't tell us what the right "SKU" is, so we don't make a mistake...whether buying from JRR or any other distributer.
 
Can someone from Cakewalk help out?

 
The answer above was to go to Sweetwater instead. But we can compare the offering (prices, description, ...) between Sweetwater and JRR to see when JRR has updated theirs. Like I said: new offering has 1 item for 'upgrade from any Producer or Platinum' : http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SonarPltUpSP , so when JRR has a similar one, I'm pretty sure that's the new SKU. Right now JRR has upgrade from X3 Producer, older Producer and Platinum renewal as 3 separate items which indicates old SKUs.
 
2016/06/01 13:02:25
thepianist65
This is all good. I think that even though many folks (including myself) are long-time PC users using Sonar from back in the early days (90's), but the tech world has changed dramatically in the past 10-15 years. While I still use a windows machine for my music studio (Because Sonar is Windows-only), I have gravitated to both a mac and the various mobile devices that apple makes for other things. Most recently I have started to become an extensive user of an iPad for live performance, and even some scratch-pad recording. The Virtual instruments and sequencing environment on IOS is gradually maturing, and is almost ready  for Prime Time, IMO.  Cubasis and Auria Pro are extremely capable sequencers. But to be able to have Sonar on a Mac and  PC? This is gold, especially if it has eventual integration with IOS, too. Then it is the users choice which platform to use. I know many folks consider Apple the devil, and Big Brother, and all that, and I get it. But their ecosystem, while not perfect, is certainly useful, and since I've become an enthusiast of Apple's consumer products I appreciate their quality and durability (if not the price, LOL). Like it or not, I think Cakewalk has to tap into the MAC world more extensively, not just for the die-hard Mac folks, who have been there forever and (as pointed out in this thread) probably are already committed to the various MAC music software out there, but to folks like me, who in my old age, is slowly converting, or at least adopting Apple's technology and incorporating it into my musical and creative world.
It's about time, I say, and Cakewalk will most likely come out stronger, both financially, and image-wise (which helps the bottom line). I do not believe this will dilute the company's resources, but will potentially open up new revenue streams to support more advanced development. I know how expensive software engineering is; I work for a company that develops proprietary software and services it, too. It's, like Cakewalk, a small local company here in Massachusetts, but it has no support like Gibson. Sonar will be fine, I'm pretty sure. And having a lifetime of updates (even at my advanced age :)) is very cool and will help a lot as Sonar keeps adding more functionality.
I'm looking forward to the improvements mentioned, especially in Take Management and Plug-In load-balancing; these will be huge improvements. I'm happy to wait a while, i don't need constant and instant gratification. I think announcing this now is fine. 
If anything goes wrong with all of this, we will see. I think the user community is very strong and loyal, and if Cakewalk listens to us it can only be of benefit to us as well as to the company.
2016/06/01 13:06:54
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Rocsee70
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Thanks Rocsee70, but that doesn't tell us what the right "SKU" is, so we don't make a mistake...whether buying from JRR or any other distributer.
 
Can someone from Cakewalk help out?

 
The answer above was to go to Sweetwater instead. But we can compare the offering (prices, description, ...) between Sweetwater and JRR to see when JRR has updated theirs. Like I said: new offering has 1 item for 'upgrade from any Producer or Platinum' : http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SonarPltUpSP , so when JRR has a similar one, I'm pretty sure that's the new SKU. Right now JRR has upgrade from X3 Producer, older Producer and Platinum renewal as 3 separate items which indicates old SKUs.
 




But, it doesn't say "lifetime updates" in the Sweetwater description either.  It's not at all clear which purchases Cakewalk will reject, and which ones they will accept for this offer (unless we buy directly, since it's called SONAR Platinum (with Lifetime Updates).
 
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2016/06/01 13:07:10
Jari
Rocsee70 The answer above was to go to Sweetwater instead. But we can compare the offering (prices, description, ...) between Sweetwater and JRR to see when JRR has updated theirs. Like I said: new offering has 1 item for 'upgrade from any Producer or Platinum' : http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SonarPltUpSP , so when JRR has a similar one, I'm pretty sure that's the new SKU. Right now JRR has upgrade from X3 Producer, older Producer and Platinum renewal as 3 separate items which indicates old SKUs.


This waiting is burning a hole in my pocket...
2016/06/01 13:15:28
Boscoe
sirdavidabraham
Great news Cakewalk...one minor detail: it's pronounced OS "Ten" ☺️



I thought it was pronounced "Oh, sex". ;P
2016/06/01 13:16:58
bluzdog
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
Just to give a heads up - because I've seen the question come up a few times across our social media channels. 

You will not need to purchase a Windows AND Mac SONAR license, after the OSX Alpha/Beta period.
 
One license to rule them all ... 




This is huge imo. Mac compatibility may not affect me now but there's a good chance it could in the future. The infinite update option is huge. Future updates are looking promising on the Baker's update page. The fact that we had early access to infinite updates watered down the big announcement but certainly didn't diminish the value.
 
Rocky
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