gmp
I wonder if it’s MS Defender? This my DAW, so I try not to do much internet work, except those related to my DAW. So I dot[‘ have any virus software installed, since I’m careful. So what could be updating without my permission?

Hmmmm???  Windows will automatically download and install definitions updates once a day for you.  Wonder if there is ever anything extra packaged with that?
 
http://www.microsoft.com/...l/definitions/adl.aspx
 
fyi:  I keep Defender disabled, since I run Avira AV for protection.  And so far I have seen none of the issues reported with Sonar or plugins.

I am a user since the '80's, and as a current lifetime update subscriber. From my engineering career, I realize that bugs happen. However, based on my observations both in this forum and with Sonar on my PC, I regret to say that I suspect that the monthly update model does not allow enough time for thorough regression testing.

mcdonalk
 
However, based on my observations both in this forum and with Sonar on my PC, I regret to say that I suspect that the monthly update model does not allow enough time for thorough regression testing.

 

Lance Riley [Cakewalk]

It has come to our attention that a recent Windows 10 update has introduced instability in a subset of our plug-ins and may cause SONAR or other Windows DAWs to crash. The problem is related to a change in the timing for thread initialization on Windows, which leads to intermittent crashing on project load, plug-in scanning, or adding these plug-ins to a project. We are able to reproduce the issue and it appears to only affect some systems since it is timing related. We are actively working on a resolution and will release fixes to the affected plugins as soon as possible.

 
I suppose this could imply the same thing for Microsoft's monthly cumulative update model.
 
If one fails to make a regular backup image, in order to have have something to fall back on, well ...
 
If one cannot afford any downtime or interruptions to your workflow, why update your main DAW with just released software, without testing it first.  How could Microsoft or Cakewalk test every specific PC config for full compatibility?  In the Windows ecosystem, there is a nearly infinite number of variables in end user setups.
 
In the business world it's referred to as disaster recovery.  It's the customer's responsibility to be prepared for anything going wrong in their operational environment. Sooner or later something will break, no matter how well you are prepared.
 
The software development model has changed.  It's called agile development, so it's time to accept that and protect yourself.  Or live with the consequences.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/...e_software_development
Agile software development describes a set of principles for software development under which requirements and solutions evolve through the collaborative effort of self-organizing cross-functional teams. It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continuous improvement, and it encourages rapid and flexible response to change. These principles support the definition and continuing evolution of many software development methods.

Hi all,
 I do remember getting a notice this time with the win 10 update, that said that adobe flash was part of the update package; along with defender. I'm  not real sure about 'Flash' anymore. My tablets can't  even use it. There is a solution, it just hasn't been  stated yet. I'm  pretty sure developers know what's going on. A kind word would be useful. Let's  all keep our digits crossed. Out Here!
MJ

Apple have been trying to persuade web developers to move away from Flash and to a better, more secure platform such as HTML5 for ages. Steve Jobs was critical of it several years ago. And Apple aren't alone in that.

I get a "Flash update required for security fixes" on Macs about once a week or once every ten days. It seems someone somewhere finds a flaw in Flash almost as soon as a new release comes out.

And, like Acrobat, it auto loads resident "helper" processes despite it making no difference if they are loaded or not other than maybe a few milliseconds delay in application launch.

robert@gmwmusic.com
I think it's more cakewalk just based on my on observations. I mean I have other DAW software I tested with no problem. Just to name one instance. What I want is for cakewalk to give us some kind of feedback. I believe it's over due.

agree.  they need to speak up more

abacab

mcdonalk
 
However, based on my observations both in this forum and with Sonar on my PC, I regret to say that I suspect that the monthly update model does not allow enough time for thorough regression testing.

 

Lance Riley [Cakewalk]

It has come to our attention that a recent Windows 10 update has introduced instability in a subset of our plug-ins and may cause SONAR or other Windows DAWs to crash. The problem is related to a change in the timing for thread initialization on Windows, which leads to intermittent crashing on project load, plug-in scanning, or adding these plug-ins to a project. We are able to reproduce the issue and it appears to only affect some systems since it is timing related. We are actively working on a resolution and will release fixes to the affected plugins as soon as possible.

 
I suppose this could imply the same thing for Microsoft's monthly cumulative update model.
 
If one fails to make a regular backup image, in order to have have something to fall back on, well ...
 
If one cannot afford any downtime or interruptions to your workflow, why update your main DAW with just released software, without testing it first.  How could Microsoft or Cakewalk test every specific PC config for full compatibility?  In the Windows ecosystem, there is a nearly infinite number of variables in end user setups.
 
In the business world it's referred to as disaster recovery.  It's the customer's responsibility to be prepared for anything going wrong in their operational environment. Sooner or later something will break, no matter how well you are prepared.
 
The software development model has changed.  It's called agile development, so it's time to accept that and protect yourself.  Or live with the consequences.
 

Man I agree with you totally and have for decades lived by this principle and Murphy's Law. Almost every PC will go haywire in time, so you better be prepared for disaster.
 
Restore points are good, but I prefer keeping my C drive as lean as possible and making image files, so I can revert back to a previous state where everything works. I also back up my 3 networked computers every night and check that it did indeed backup every night too.
 
Actually this is the first bug that has almost caught me flat footed. 2 weeks ago I got the first runtime error using 2016.09 and reverting back to the previous image didn't fix it. Something from the internet is updating or corrupting things so I get the runtime error. Fortunately I have an easy workaround

Well my experiment with disabling Defender and Adobe Acrobat Reader didn't solve the problem. There's still something from the internet that's updating and causing the runtime error.
 
I've looked into MS forced updates in Win 10 and it appears that this doesn't really apply to me. So far it appears to me that since I'm actually disabling Win Updates in Services that this prevents MS from updating my computer. I'd like to hear from bitflipper to see if he still feels this way.
 
But my Google search with lawsuits and such was referring to MS forcing Win 7+8 users to update to Win 10 and Win 10 home users who are not able to disable Win Updates like I'm able to. I have Win 10 Pro. I'm still looking into this, but so far I'm still baffled why I'm getting some mysterious internet update that’s gone haywire.

win 10 home users can disable updates via the method you mention, disabling the windows update service. I have been doing it for ages on both professional and home versions, absolutely 0 issues (forgive me if i misunderstood you)

gmp
Well my experiment with disabling Defender and Adobe Acrobat Reader didn't solve the problem. There's still something from the internet that's updating and causing the runtime error.
 
I've looked into MS forced updates in Win 10 and it appears that this doesn't really apply to me. So far it appears to me that since I'm actually disabling Win Updates in Services that this prevents MS from updating my computer. I'd like to hear from bitflipper to see if he still feels this way.
 
But my Google search with lawsuits and such was referring to MS forcing Win 7+8 users to update to Win 10 and Win 10 home users who are not able to disable Win Updates like I'm able to. I have Win 10 Pro. I'm still looking into this, but so far I'm still baffled why I'm getting some mysterious internet update that’s gone haywire.

Defender is updated via Windows update so if you disable the update service, Defender will not update nor will anything else Windows related.
Acrobat reader has its own updater.
Have you disabled everything you can regarding Windows phoning home? You can get rid of most of it.
I am sure you know the following but I have to ask anyway .
Do you reboot your PC or stop the service after disabling the update service. It can be disabled but still running.