I believe i might have some phasing issues with my setup.
 
I'm running 12 mic's...
Is there a plugin that will analyze my channels to see if it is time based( which to some degree I'm sure it is) or signal based?
 
Thanks!!

There are tools to nudge out of phase mics.  UAD has one called Phased Align from Little Labs (I think that is the name).  As far as seeing if your signals are out of phase, one could always zoom in on the wave file to see there start points.  If the mics are not equal distance from the source, you will not be able to visualize this.  The phase align tool is good because you can hear out of phase signals (loss of volume and loss off fullness) but once you get the settings right, you are good to go with the mic setup you had used.
 
Not sure but pretty sure that there could be a native plugin for this as well as the Little Labs tool.
 
 

I use Melda productions Mauto align plugin. My most used plugin.

If you were only interested in aligning two tracks, manual waveform analysis might be sufficient. It isn't when trying six varied alignments of twelve Mics.

MAutoAlign does this.

https://www.meldaproduction.com/MAutoAlign

I have never used another plugin that does the same, so I can't help you comparison shop.

I can tell you that the Melda millisecond offsets for the Mics often accurately reflects the distance between the Mics in feet.

Thanks for the input.
 
Still having a tough time with it. I am strictly an amateur. Playng drums and recording drums are 2 totally different arts.....trying to get 12 mics happy to some degree can be a pain for seasoned engineers. I have used Izotope channel operations to some success, but to me that's not really a fix.
Being an Electrical Engineer, i understand wave/phase cancellation, never thought time over distance would be a problem being as close as they are but i guess it does as well. Getting it sorted out in sonar is what i need to figure out.
 
One mistake i did was to record all the drum tracks in stereo, going to try mono and see how that goes.
 

GHOSTNOTES
 
One mistake i did was to record all the drum tracks in stereo, going to try mono and see how that goes.
 

This is the root of your issues.

KingsMix

GHOSTNOTES
 
One mistake i did was to record all the drum tracks in stereo, going to try mono and see how that goes.
 

This is the root of your issues.

Indeed......

I routinely align my drum tracks manually. The plug ins suggested here look good, and I'm going to investigate them, but it's really not hard to manually align things in time in Sonar.
 
First, do the alignment before you do any other editing on the drums. Things can get weird very fast if you've split the tracks (for example) before you try to align them.
 
I always check to make sure the overheads are timed with each other first. They always are for me, because I use a crossed pair setup for OH. Just look at a clear hit on the OH tracks, zoom way,way in, and make sure that the hit starts at the same time for both OH tracks. If not, drag one of the clips until the start time is the same.
 
After that, use one of the OH tracks as a guide to line up each of the other tracks, one at a time. E.g. find a snare hit that stands out in the OH track as well as the snare track. Zoom in on the snare tracks along with one of the OH tracks. The wave on the snare track will start earlier than the OH. Just slide the snare track until the two align. Repeat for every track except the room mics.
 
Sometimes you will see that a waveform will start by going up on the OH track, but start by going down on the individual track. This indicates that the signals are 90° out of phase, or "reversed polarity". Try reversing the polarity on the console strip of the non-OH track. If the two tracks played back together sound more solid, punchier, or thicker with the polarity reversed, leave it reversed. But ultimately, use your ears; reversing the polarity on a track that looks 90° out of phase usually sounds better, but sometimes doesn't make a difference and sometimes sounds worse.
 
It sounds like a lot of work, but I can do a twelve track drum part in about half an hour. It really sounds better afterward.
 
If you are actually recording everything in stereo, I would strongly advise switching to mono for everything but the overheads and (maybe) the room mics.

I use X-Y for overheads because it makes phase alignment a no brainer. http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/stereo_microphone_techniques/ I record everything in mono including the OH mics and align the other tracks to an OH using a point where hits occur at the same time i.e. align the snare track to an OH track on a snare hit etc. After I align the tom tracks I clean them up by splitting the clips just before and after the hits and delete the space in between to minimize.
 
Waves In-Phase http://www.waves.com/plugins/inphase#drums-phase-correction-using-inphase and MAutoalign https://www.meldaproduction.com/MAutoAlign work well. Just don't pay too much for them. Waves runs sales frequently and Meldaproduction has 50% off sales going on all the time, all Melda stuff is on sale for 1 more day. Check the deals forum, Larry keeps us updated.  
 
Rocky

Thanks again everyone. Im sure this will help tremendously.

As it's been said over and over again...i learn something new every day.
This will probably change things in a big way. My biggest problem has always been that most times no matter how hot the signal is or what i do, it seems like my mics always sound too far away, almost like a bunch of room mics instead of close mics.

VANCEEN makes keen observations and very much worth walking through and listening for yourself  - I find using a VST alignment tool allows you to keep each track in its original alignment.  This alone can be a timesaver.
 
HOWEVER,  I first learned about the plusses and minuses of correction, by manually adjusting each track.  It can get complicated when you start adding room and bottom drum mics into the manual equation. Especially trying to remember what you did.  
 
I am glad I learned manually,  but I prefer an alignment tool now.
 
Other things can affect the recording and give you far away drum sounds..   Wrong mic, or right mic - wrong placement.  Gain setup.  Incorrect application of  preamp\compressor\equalizer used while recording.  Setting up for better mic isolation.   The room you are in and its inherent sound alteration properties.  You may have already ruled these out, sorry for stating the obvious, but it could be that there are a few other things that are in the mix.    
 
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