You who are not having problems with this, are you using the same plugins as the people who are having problems. For me Komplete kontrol, bfd 3, kontakt, SI Instruments, to name a few have this problem, most other instruments does not have midi out enabled.

Steve_Karl

dcumpian
I use "ask every time" and once disabled, "Enable Midi Out" stays disabled. I still use "ask every time", but I don't have to clear the check box each time.
 
Dan

Same here. Never a problem. "Ask every time" is the way to go me thinks.

For the OP, the solution is to use Logic Pro. The AU spec can't recognize MIDI outputs from instruments. No recognition...no issues! Problem solved.
 
Seriously though, I always "Ask Every Time" regardless of whether or not an instrument does or does not have MIDI out just to confirm that everything is as desired. I don't find unchecking a box for the rare time that I bring in an instrument with MIDI out where I don't want MIDI out to be an onerous task.

Anderton

Steve_Karl

dcumpian
I use "ask every time" and once disabled, "Enable Midi Out" stays disabled. I still use "ask every time", but I don't have to clear the check box each time.
 
Dan

Same here. Never a problem. "Ask every time" is the way to go me thinks.

 
 
Seriously though, I always "Ask Every Time" regardless of whether or not an instrument does or does not have MIDI out just to confirm that everything is as desired. I don't find unchecking a box for the rare time that I bring in an instrument with MIDI out where I don't want MIDI out to be an onerous task.

What they said.
 
I guess that's why I have never had a problem and just carry on creating music..

jb101

Anderton

Steve_Karl

dcumpian
I use "ask every time" and once disabled, "Enable Midi Out" stays disabled. I still use "ask every time", but I don't have to clear the check box each time.
 
Dan

Same here. Never a problem. "Ask every time" is the way to go me thinks.

 
 
Seriously though, I always "Ask Every Time" regardless of whether or not an instrument does or does not have MIDI out just to confirm that everything is as desired. I don't find unchecking a box for the rare time that I bring in an instrument with MIDI out where I don't want MIDI out to be an onerous task.

What they said.
 
I guess that's why I have never had a problem and just carry on creating music..

 
Yep, but try unchecking it and NOT having it ask every time.  It WILL be enabled, no matter what.   BUG.

SilverBlueMedallion
Yep, but try unchecking it and NOT having it ask every time.  It WILL be enabled, no matter what.   BUG.

It's not a bug if it's by design. If you submit a bug report it will be ignored (and rightfully so) because what you are describing is not a bug. You want to submit a feature request where you can tell SONAR to ignore MIDI out flags from instruments pre-emptively, which is different from telling SONAR to ignore the flag after receiving it (the present situation). But if you do that, then you'll have to manually enable MIDI out whenever you want to use it. Then we'll see people with a similar mindset saying "SONAR sucks!! BIG BUG!!!!!!!!! Why can't it enable MIDI out automatically from VST3 synths that have it like other programs do?!??!?!?? I have to go in there and enable it manually every time I have a synth with MIDI out! BUG BUG BUG!!!!!" and of course, that wouldn't be a bug either. It would be the result of your feature request, just as automatic recognition of instrument MIDI outs was a request taken into account by Steinberg in developing the VST3 spec.
 
If you care to educate yourself about about the VST3 spec, there's an SDK available from Steinberg. Also check out Noel's blog post about Cakewalk's implementation of the VST3 spec. In the process of going over the SDK you'll learn how synths announce themselves as having MIDI Out, and what that implies.
 
It's more productive to learn about the tools you use than expect the tools to learn how you use them. Maybe someday AI will reach a point where that's possible but we're not there yet.

sorry if this is no-brainer, but after unchecking the "ask every time" box, how do i get it to ask again the next time? (dragging a synth from the browser, with "midi out" unchecked, and "ask every time" unchecked)
thanks in advance!

Anderton

SilverBlueMedallion
Yep, but try unchecking it and NOT having it ask every time.  It WILL be enabled, no matter what.   BUG.

It's not a bug if it's by design. If you submit a bug report it will be ignored (and rightfully so) because what you are describing is not a bug. You want to submit a feature request where you can tell SONAR to ignore MIDI out flags from instruments pre-emptively, which is different from telling SONAR to ignore the flag after receiving it (the present situation). But if you do that, then you'll have to manually enable MIDI out whenever you want to use it. Then we'll see people with a similar mindset saying "SONAR sucks!! BIG BUG!!!!!!!!! Why can't it enable MIDI out automatically from VST3 synths that have it like other programs do?!??!?!?? I have to go in there and enable it manually every time I have a synth with MIDI out! BUG BUG BUG!!!!!" and of course, that wouldn't be a bug either. It would be the result of your feature request, just as automatic recognition of instrument MIDI outs was a request taken into account by Steinberg in developing the VST3 spec.
 
If you care to educate yourself about about the VST3 spec, there's an SDK available from Steinberg. Also check out Noel's blog post about Cakewalk's implementation of the VST3 spec. In the process of going over the SDK you'll learn how synths announce themselves as having MIDI Out, and what that implies.
 
It's more productive to learn about the tools you use than expect the tools to learn how you use them. Maybe someday AI will reach a point where that's possible but we're not there yet.

 
Actually Anderton, it is either a bug or very poor implementation.   Please allow me to show you why I say this.  First, allow me to demonstrate how to re-create the steps to prove the bug/poor implementation.  
 

STEP #1:  
open the "Insert Synth Options" dialog and lets first select "Enable MIDI Output":


 
 

 
STEP #2:
lets insert Dimension Pro.  I am expecting it to have MIDI Output enabled since I left the checkmark in place (see above), and sure enough it does.  EXPECTED BEHAVIOUR! 



 
Now... lets expose that bug/poor implementation...



STEP #3:
open the "Insert Synth Options" dialog and now UN-select "Enable MIDI Output":


 
Now, you would expect the next time I load a synth, MIDI output would NOT be on by default, correct?  

STEP #4:  
insert Dimension Pro, check to see if MIDI out is disabled (as told to do so in the Synth Options in step 3)


 
BUT, as you see... "Enable MIDI Output" is STILL ENABLED!!!!
 
 
Other options in that dialog box work AS EXPECTED (insert track folder, midi source, simple instrument track), but NOT the "Enable MIDI Output" checkbox.   So, that leads me to the conclusion that this is either a BUG (meaning the checkbox is supposed to do something) OR poor implementation if the design is to ALWAYS have it enabled.  That would mean that this option literally does nothing (which I have illustrated just now).

It should be an option so users can set it how THEY SEE FIT.  I never want MIDI output enabled unless I chose so manually, yet Sonar does not allow this, but fools you to think it does by allowing you to uncheck the box (which does nothing).

Now, again, how is this NOT a bug Anderton?

did you live through the whole "insert as synth" for fx to get midi input? this is a hangover from that, so (B) poor implementation, or at least (C) incomplete implementation

pwalpwal
did you live through the whole "insert as synth" for fx to get midi input? this is a hangover from that, so (B) poor implementation, or at least (C) incomplete implementation

Anderton, will attempt to smooth this over shortly and talk about how somehow this is by design and that we somehow should want a checkbox that does nothing, followed by sending me some really long technical documents about VST3 implementation, and if I don't know all of that by heart, I *MUST* be wrong! LOL

SilverBlueMedallion
 
 
 
Actually Anderton, it is either a bug or very poor implementation.   Please allow me to show you why I say this.  First, allow me to demonstrate how to re-create the steps to prove the bug/poor implementation.  
 

STEP #1:  
open the "Insert Synth Options" dialog and lets first select "Enable MIDI Output":


 
 

 
STEP #2:
lets insert Dimension Pro.  I am expecting it to have MIDI Output enabled since I left the checkmark in place (see above), and sure enough it does.  EXPECTED BEHAVIOUR! 



 
Now... lets expose that bug/poor implementation...



STEP #3:
open the "Insert Synth Options" dialog and now UN-select "Enable MIDI Output":


 
Now, you would expect the next time I load a synth, MIDI output would NOT be on by default, correct?  

STEP #4:  
insert Dimension Pro, check to see if MIDI out is disabled (as told to do so in the Synth Options in step 3)


 
BUT, as you see... "Enable MIDI Output" is STILL ENABLED!!!!
 
 
Other options in that dialog box work AS EXPECTED (insert track folder, midi source, simple instrument track), but NOT the "Enable MIDI Output" checkbox.   So, that leads me to the conclusion that this is either a BUG (meaning the checkbox is supposed to do something) OR poor implementation if the design is to ALWAYS have it enabled.  That would mean that this option literally does nothing (which I have illustrated just now).

It should be an option so users can set it how THEY SEE FIT.  I never want MIDI output enabled unless I chose so manually, yet Sonar does not allow this, but fools you to think it does by allowing you to uncheck the box (which does nothing).

Now, again, how is this NOT a bug Anderton?

Why the attitude? Maybe it is a little bug? So what.