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  • Is There Anyway To Disable "Enable MIDI Out" When Inserting Softsynths? (p.5)
2017/01/08 16:31:01
Anderton
You answered that question yourself between posts #3 and #4..."Now, you would expect the next time I load a synth, MIDI output would NOT be on by default, correct?"
 
No of course I would not, and if you would bother to read what I wrote (and after doing so attempted to understand it), you wouldn't either. Please, for God's sake, read this:
 
EVERY TIME YOU INSERT A SYNTH WITH MIDI OUT, IT SENDS A FLAG NOTIFYING THE HOST THAT IT SHOULD ENABLE MIDI OUT. SONAR DOES NOT INITIATE CHECKING THE BOX. THE INSTRUMENT INITIATES THIS BY ASKING SONAR TO CHECK THE BOX, AND SONAR FOLLOWS THE SPEC SO IT DOES.
 
THE CHECKBOX IS PROVIDED SO YOU CAN UNCHECK THE BOX AND CLEAR THE DEFAULT.
 
And one more time...if you want SONAR to do something BEFORE the instrument is loaded, you need to submit a feature request that asks SONAR to act pre-emptively prior to loading a synth so it will ignore the default it is asked to create by the instrument and the spec.
 
I realize you are a "my mind is made up, don't confuse me with the facts" type. But I'm sure 99% of the forum members here understand what I said. Perhaps one of them can explain how it works in a way that even you can understand...although it won't do you any good if you don't read their posts.
 
2017/01/08 16:31:08
AdamGrossmanLG
Mr. Anderton, please show me how this is not a bug:

turn up your volume.. I am talking to you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci2vhiENY-o
2017/01/08 16:35:08
John
Yes there is.
2017/01/08 16:35:48
stratman70
SilverBlueMedallion
I JUST FOUND THE BUG!

The "Enable MIDI Output" option ONLY WORKS if you have it prompt you EVERY TIME you launch a synth!   Then it does not enable the MIDI Output!

But if you set it as an option and then choose to never ask you again, it will NOT follow the checkmark state!!!  

So yea, has nothing to do with VST3 architecture Anderton!!


This was explained to you early in this thread. I guess you really do not read the replies. I have no problem with the prefs box pop up each time. Like someone else also said, this way I can double check my settings. 
 
 
2017/01/08 16:36:03
AdamGrossmanLG
Anderton
 
 
EVERY TIME YOU INSERT A SYNTH WITH MIDI OUT, IT SENDS A FLAG NOTIFYING THE HOST THAT IT SHOULD ENABLE MIDI OUT. SONAR DOES NOT INITIATE CHECKING THE BOX. THE INSTRUMENT INITIATES THIS BY ASKING SONAR TO CHECK THE BOX, AND SONAR FOLLOWS THE SPEC SO IT DOES.
 
THE CHECKBOX IS PROVIDED SO YOU CAN UNCHECK THE BOX AND CLEAR THE DEFAULT.
 
 
 



 
I think my video shows you that this is more of a problem the "Enable MIDI Output" option not working ONLY when not asking every single time.   

If what you say is correct, that the VST will send the flag every time to enable midi out, then why have this checkbox?

check my video.
2017/01/08 16:37:24
AdamGrossmanLG
stratman70
SilverBlueMedallion
I JUST FOUND THE BUG!

The "Enable MIDI Output" option ONLY WORKS if you have it prompt you EVERY TIME you launch a synth!   Then it does not enable the MIDI Output!

But if you set it as an option and then choose to never ask you again, it will NOT follow the checkmark state!!!  

So yea, has nothing to do with VST3 architecture Anderton!!


This was explained to you early in this thread. I guess you really do not read the replies. I have no problem with the prefs box pop up each time. Like someone else also said, this way I can double check my settings. 
 
 




 
why would it work differently from just setting it and forgetting it, to asking every time?  it is the SAME dialog prompt.  

If it can't work without asking every time, they should remove the checkmark from the dialog box where you set it and forget it.
2017/01/08 16:41:01
AdamGrossmanLG
and here is the other bug....
 
the reason this is a problem to begin with is that tracks that are set to "NONE" as the MIDI INPUT actually act as OMNI and even says so in the chooser (bottom arrow).   This screenshot alone shows a problem, don't it?

There is no "NONE" as an option, yet it says its "NONE" lol.
 


 
So i come back later to a track with MIDI INPUT = None, and find erroneous MIDI data recorded onto it....  HOW?  I SET IT TO "NONE"!!

Nope, I actually set it to "OMNI" lol.  THERE - IS - NO - "NONE"!

Still not a bug Anderton?
 
2017/01/08 16:58:28
Anderton
SilverBlueMedallion
I JUST FOUND THE BUG!

 
Wrong again.

The "Enable MIDI Output" option ONLY WORKS if you have it prompt you EVERY TIME you launch a synth!   Then it does not enable the MIDI Output!

 
Good Lord, is there any end to your wrongness?
  1. In the synth rack, call up the preferences.
  2. Uncheck "Enable MIDI Output" and specify "Ask Every Time."
  3. Insert Reaktor.
  4. Contrary to your amazing discovery, the MIDI out box is checked. That's because Reaktor sends a flag telling SONAR to turn on MIDI out. So do other synths

But if you set it as an option and then choose to never ask you again, it will NOT follow the checkmark state!!!
 
So yea, has nothing to do with VST3 architecture Anderton!!

 
Wrong again. If you ask it never to ask you again, it will follow the VST3 default. THAT DEFAULT ACTION IS A FUNCTION OF THE VST SPEC. I already explained this. It's not my fault if you don't read it.
 
Please stop wasting everyone's time by disseminating inaccurate information, because then I have to take the time to correct you and I have better things to do...which I think i'll go do right now. 
 
At this point, I'm sure everyone else understands what I'm saying, and they can verify it for themselves as being accurate, so my work is done. They can also verify that what you're saying isn't, so your work is done too.
 
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2017/01/08 17:03:06
Anderton
SilverBlueMedallion
why would it work differently from just setting it and forgetting it, to asking every time?  it is the SAME dialog prompt.
 
If it can't work without asking every time, they should remove the checkmark from the dialog box where you set it and forget it.

 
Anyone who's been reading my responses will understand just how ignorant those comments are. You never will.
 
Over and out. Go use a different program. Please.
 
2017/01/08 17:07:48
AdamGrossmanLG
 
 
OK, so if the the action between loading the synth and the dialog prompt sends a flag to enable that option, which overrides whatever you have set in the defaults, then maybe that checkmark should be removed from the default prompt where you can set it to never ask again, no?  

If you have it set to never ask again and have "Enable MIDI Out" unchecked, you might think that it will work like every other check mark in that dialog box, no?

Where in the documentation does it clearly state that the setting for this may not stick?
 
 
- also, do you care to address this "bug"? - http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3542635
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