azslow3

Anderton

SilverBlueMedallion

azslow3
Silver has heated the air so even nice people in fact started to defend something there is no reason to defend...
 
VST specification say nothing about how MIDI output from plug-in should be used.
The meaning of "Enable MIDI output" and its routing is up to Sonar. VST just say "Hey, I send C4 to you". I have not seen any way for VST to say "Hey, I send C4 to you, please send it too ALL MIDI tracks as an Input!". And that is Sonar default behavior as soon as VST can send something [snip].

 
understood.  so what you are saying is that if this BUG gets resolved, then I don't even need to worry about MIDI out:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3542635

 
He can clarify, but I believe he's referring to the "Omni" saying "None" issue you brought up. Registering/not registering a plug-in is not something that's conveyed over MIDI as far as I know, although if anyone does, it would be azslow3.

Silver is trolling... is some posts he has almost confirmed that explicitly.
He is using primary 2 real inconsistencies/bugs plus own observation of something as the ground for the conversations.
 
1) "Enable MIDI output" in insert plug-in dialog. I do not know what it technically really means for VST3, I have written only VST2 which process MIDI. But in all cases, there is THE SECOND (may be the only) effect from it: the MIDI output is used as Sonar MIDI INPUT! It is up to Sonar how to use Input/Outputs from VST, so VST3 specification can not be used as the reference for any behavior. I repeat, it CAN be that the flag also influence Sonar<->VST3 dialog. But ignoring the user wish to NOT enable the MIDI output as Omni input and NOT ask again, is at least misleading since all other options in the dialog are respected. That can not be forced by VST3 specification (as explained before), that can not be explained by "most users wish", since if the flag is respected when it is changed by user (can be "on" by default, but stay "off" once set so explicitly), all users will be happy. Sonar is NOT re-enabling other things "silently and automagically" in general (f.e. Audio/MIDI inputs), so that can not be "by design" either.
 
The workaround is to uncheck the flag every time a synth is inserted. The result is the same. No side effects. Two clicks per synth more (compare with the number of "clicks" to play the synth.... so negligible). It is EASY to check the project has no unwanted output by just looking at all available MIDI inputs for a track, one click.
 
So inconvenient, misleading, error prone, but it is not an important issue.
 
2) "None is Omni", so there is no "None" for MIDI. A bug, at least in naming. Inconvenient, misleading, error prone.
 
That is relevant in case of INTENTIONAL use of VST MIDI outputs only. So when the "Input echo" is permanently ON, to route VST MIDI output to some synth MIDI input during playback. The problem is escalated by Sonar itself, once it detects something wrong with MIDI routing (sometimes real, sometimes by mistake) it silently (!) and sometimes invisibly till project reload (!) reset MIDI inputs to "None", which is "Omni"... and so it makes the problem (like loops) worse instead of avoid them, up to Sonar crash.
 
The workaround is to have external "silent" MIDI input, silent Synth with MIDI output, use  specific MIDI channels. All that HAS SIDE EFFECTS. Because of "silent reseting to OMNI", such projects are hard to move between systems, they can be corrupted by attached/detached controllers, newly inserted VSTs, etc.
 
So, this problem is important for special use cases. Sonar is not supporting MIDI FX in VST form explicitly and has basic MIDI routing. So using such features, while possible, should be perceived as A WORKAROUND by itself. I mean, when using it, the user can expect they are not working good and use the software explicitly made for that for fluent experience.
 
 
So, why I write that OP is trolling?
a) he refused to specify his system configuration, even on explicit questions. It can be correlated with almost all observations published by OP in several threads
 
b) he is not specifying what he really wants to do, in different thread and in different posts, he claim mutual exclusive wishes, depending on response from other. F.e. in one thread he claims using VST MIDI outputs intentionally, since (2) is problematic in this (and only in this) case. In other he wants disable MIDI outputs with "do not ask again", so effectively avoiding VST MIDI output by default
 
c) he brings "Synth parameter not saved" observation into MIDI related threads. It CAN BE MIDI related, but all attempts to check that ends with "Wrong. That is 100% not this". If he is sure that is NOT MIDI related, why mention that in MIDI related threads?
 
d) the tone of most posts is provoking.
 
Blocked. Forgotten.

 
about #1.  If you watch my latest video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9z1Lr2P5rQ&t=95s) - i stated how it requires you to be asked every time, so therefore maybe the option for "Enable MIDI Output" should be removed from the "Insert Synth Options" default dialog box since it really does NOTHING (unless when asked).   So what is wrong with having that removed if it does nothing?  How is that trolling exactly?

about #2.  why would it be standard to not have a "none" input?  why can't we have one?  It actually SAYS "None".  again, how am I trolling?

I never refused to give my system config. Not sure what is needed... i7, 16 GB Ram, MPK 225 MIDI Controller.  Thats it.

about the unsaved synth parameters.  It doesnt say when you freeze a track you have to save the preset, now I know. but I didn't.

Again, how am I trolling?   because I am pointing out some issues I have with Sonar?  

Seriously, I feel some people here can't handle criticism of their favorite DAW, its like I am criticizing their mother LOL.  See ya AzSLOW :)

It's become obvious to me that your knowledge is not what you infer that it is. I learned about Notemapper in a Sonar fb group and I noticed on the CodeFN42 fb page that you put in a suggestion/request for "note duration %". You "want to map your notes to another track but with a shorter duration than the original".
How would that be possible??? It's a real time plug-in, it has no idea how long you're going to hold that note down.
Velocity is easy, changing a note off event into the past or future would be a process that would be applied after the fact, not in real time.
I also saw you post in that fb group that you're in the "industry", you are with a software development company.
Most people would assume that you are involved with the actual development, I'm starting to think that you may be a receptionist based on your expectations versus reality of software.
Watching you alienate seasoned users is becoming quite humorous in a sad way, especially your remark about the emotional iq of a four year old!
If this thread keeps progressing and you're actively involved in it, I'm going to have to pop some popcorn!!!

gustabo
It's become obvious to me that your knowledge is not what you infer that it is. I learned about Notemapper in a Sonar fb group and I noticed on the CodeFN42 fb page that you put in a suggestion/request for"note duration %". You "want to map your notes to another track but with a shorter duration than the original".
How would that be possible??? It's a real time plug-in, it has not idea how long you're going to hold that note down.
Velocity is easy, changing a note off event into the past or future would be a process that would be applied after the fact, not in real time.
I also saw you post in that fb group that you're in the "industry", you are with a software development company.
Most people would assume that you are involved with the actual development, I'm starting to think that you may be a receptionist based on your expectations versus reality of software.
Watching you alienate seasoned users is becoming quite humorous in a sad way, especially your remark about the emotional iq of a four year old!
If this thread keeps progressing and you're actively involved in it, I'm going to have to pop some popcorn!!!

I did ask CodeFN42 if Notemapper can make a shorter duration, kind of like how in a Sonar drum map it has a Velocity Scaler, where you can have it play a percentage of your actual velocity.  I was simply asking if it is possible.  Is that a bad thing to ask?

Nope, I am actually technical, not a receptionist.

Glad to know I have a full-time stalker though.

SilverBlueMedallion
 
Glad to know I have a full-time stalker though.

Just part time, your rants are hilarious but not worth full time attention.

gustabo

SilverBlueMedallion
 
Glad to know I have a full-time stalker though.

Just part time, your rants are hilarious but not worth full time attention.

 
i notice you keep avoiding my video,  afraid you wont be able to answer to my points?

https://youtu.be/M9z1Lr2P5rQ

FWIW I've watched your video.  It looks like if you would just disable input monitoring on your MIDI tracks unless you are actually using it you'd have things under control and your point would be moot, but then again I'm not the MIDI power user here.  At least on my system it only seems to work as Omni when you have input monitoring on, which kind of makes sense.  I mean, why would you turn on input monitoring and expect it to monitor nothing?

Genghis
FWIW I've watched your video.  It looks like if you would just disable input monitoring on your MIDI tracks unless you are actually using it you'd have things under control and your point would be moot, but then again I'm not the MIDI power user here.  At least on my system it only seems to work as Omni when you have input monitoring on, which kind of makes sense.  I mean, why would you turn on input monitoring and expect it to monitor nothing?

but then I can't switch track to track seamlessly.   I get what you are saying, but it just adds another hinderance.  I do appreciate it.

SilverBlueMedallion

gustabo

SilverBlueMedallion
 
Glad to know I have a full-time stalker though.

Just part time, your rants are hilarious but not worth full time attention.

 
i notice you keep avoiding my video,  afraid you wont be able to answer to my points?

https://youtu.be/M9z1Lr2P5rQ

What's the point? You believe you have bugs, you're right, everyone else is wrong...

gustabo

SilverBlueMedallion

gustabo

SilverBlueMedallion
 
Glad to know I have a full-time stalker though.

Just part time, your rants are hilarious but not worth full time attention.

 
i notice you keep avoiding my video,  afraid you wont be able to answer to my points?

https://youtu.be/M9z1Lr2P5rQ

What's the point? You believe you have bugs, you're right, everyone else is wrong...

nope. not if you can actually speaking to my 2 points in the video.  Again, you avoid it though.  I believe you are possibly scared I might have a point.

You NEED Sonar to be right lol   

Watch the video man, speak to my points instead of acting immature and saying "no whats the point".   just watch it and speak to it on a technical level.

SilverBlueMedallion
 
You NEED Sonar to be right lol  

That's just it, it is right for me "lol"