There were some comments about how using Codeweavers was misleading, but my understanding is that the concept of starting off with translation and then replacing parts of the code until the program is fully native is fairly common. (IIRC that's what's happening with FL Studio's Mac version.)
 
 

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When we consider Mac users, we all know PT has the market cornered in DAW's, and a vast majority of their customers use Mac's (PT is not made for Windows, I'm here to say; not a friendly relationship at all). But consider that nearly every major studio and many of the music creators love macs, that was a great thing to consider, especially considering most, if not all other DAW's run on a mac.

 
Sorry, but I have to disagree here: Protools has been quite a nightmare on MacOS lately, significantly worse than on Windows. Example: a close friend of mine, who knows what a Windows evangelist I am BTW, called ME for tech support after the 'experts' couldn't get his brand new $3000 iMac with brand new interface and the newest Protools to work properly! Paying maximum dollar, nothing but problems!
 
In Europe, where folks are less susceptible to the smoke screen of marketing that Apple has so  successfully employed stateside, more and more studios are switching to Windows to run PT.
 
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ProjectM
Just leave it at that and let ex-Sonar/current Mac users have this thread to be a little dissapointed that Sonar isn't coming to their platform of choice.

Done and done.

Anderton
There were some comments about how using Codeweavers was misleading, but my understanding is that the concept of starting off with translation and then replacing parts of the code until the program is fully native is fairly common. (IIRC that's what's happening with FL Studio's Mac version.)
 

That sounds reasonable.  A full "port" of code across platforms is not a simple task.  In this case it probably requires moving a shedload of Cakewalk C++ code that has been custom tuned to the Windows libraries and APIs.
 
A code port would require re-compiling the C++ code in the native MacOSX environment.  That means that a program which is very efficient on Windows and is tightly wrapped around the Windows environment, using available Windows code libraries for its audio engine, etc., will need substitutes for the missing modules.  Doh!!!
 
I imagine the audio engine would need a complete re-write and many hours of tuning to work acceptably on the Mac audio system.  Not to mention graphics and screen widgets.
 
But since I am a Windows user, I am hopeful that this energy will now be spent on ripple edit, chord track, and staff view!!! 

Anderton
There were some comments about how using Codeweavers was misleading, but my understanding is that the concept of starting off with translation and then replacing parts of the code until the program is fully native is fairly common. (IIRC that's what's happening with FL Studio's Mac version.)
 

 
I think it was misleading by omission.  Saying that this was the 'real deal' 'Sonar running on a Mac' 'and not using any Bootcamp Trick' leads you to believe it's native.  Why would somebody want an emulation when they could have Sonar with Bootcamp that performs much better?  
 

Sanderxpander
I think it's about 50/50 CW and the Mac enthusiasts. Cakewalk made a nice glossy announcement - a new direction, three spotlights Sonar4You, Sonar4Life and yes, Sonar4Mac. Putting that last one on equal footing with the others was probably a mistake. At the same time, people who were already anxious to see Sonar on Mac got a bit carried away, especially those who bought into the lifetime deal banking on a total native port to Mac, because regardless of the difference between an alpha and a prototype, a full port of Platinum and continued development on Mac were never promised.

Well is this a copy of the words uttered?...."CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT" Of the Alpha state shown us when asking for more cow feed?...
 
And I was not impressed when it was anounced...Life time updates was a confused Uttering state of affairs...If I had the software paid for since 1x to the latest paid already and not getting it going much more than ...IFFY performance, and some lost stuff, of no real importance, But...That should not occur....And then some other issues opening some projects....Also had issues , of old vs Newer...And that, with lost audio drivers when opening  win 7 -8.1.
 
And then  (here with said below PC) because the other was not enough to do the job?...
 
Ok..And paid the asking for, Mac hopeful...or other OS, or a making of one....Also asking CW OP of, If support would be given remotely for...if so having issues.
 
All good Ideas PUT FORTH BEFORE PAYING FOR WHAT WAS ASSUMED, AND CONTORTED BY WORDS...AND SOME CAN BE DECEIVED BY MEANINGS OF WORDS IF USED A CERTAIN WAY.....MARKETING HAS IT'S OWN LAWS?..OR NO LAWS ONCE BOUGHT AND CLICKING OK TO INSTALL....Before making any payment for life time updates, to continue development on MAC OR OTHER OS OTHER THAN <MS WINDOWS>
 
-CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT ON MAC FOR LIFE.....IS IMPLIED.?...I CAN TWIST IT TO MEAN, OR IT IS AS WAS INTENDED MEANT?.......SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF ZERO'S PERSPECTIVE ON MEANING?....WELL I DO!
 
IT IS SO CONVOLUTED....IT COULD MEAN ANYTHING WITH LIFE TIME UPDATES ADDED TO..AND IN OF SAME POST MANY IDEAS...AND MANY STATEMENTS...PAID FOR LIFE...IN ONE PAYMENT FOR.
 
 
Now I can say...I was assuming, But I know what I asked in that OP of those life time updates asked for we give towards....THAT IDEAL...; ) winking at the hopeful of something better than what was in plain sight here on my PC with to want a bug fix asap....And if MS windows is making a new os...we all know how long it will take to get that gelling with all devices, as it is always some bug hunt and driver update ever since ever was MS OS...and I have not played with many...Gem, TOS, and DOS...mainly...BEOS was in development for MUSIC APPs...and it was bought out ....So development ended for, But they did release a BATA...and a CD os Kind of trial.
 
I think I still have that stuff somewhere in my book shelf in the vault of my libraries.
 
Any hoot....That is my interpretation of That first word uttered about LIFE TIME and MAC being in ONE Post I replied to.
 
Well./. I did get remote viewing by Micheal The CW Tech, and Phone replies and contact was given me, with no resolves, as the system was not working proper on win 10 at all with any daw because of driver mayhem.....So, hope is sort of shown of support could be by them CW people..AS was done, is done?
 
Try to stay on line...."They never Promised"...it would be fixed or bug free either, on any platform os!...as life time updates may never see a fix.
 
Just saying it like I see it , if I stand in your mindset of perspective batted back!
 
cheers.\\Grace still lives!
 
 
 
 

I know you quoted me but I have no idea what you mean, sorry.

Sanderxpander
I know you quoted me but I have no idea what you mean, sorry.

I tried to read the post but lost track half way through...

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Anderton
There were some comments about how using Codeweavers was misleading, but my understanding is that the concept of starting off with translation and then replacing parts of the code until the program is fully native is fairly common. (IIRC that's what's happening with FL Studio's Mac version.)
 

I think it was misleading by omission.  Saying that this was the 'real deal' 'Sonar running on a Mac' 'and not using any Bootcamp Trick' leads you to believe it's native.  Why would somebody want an emulation when they could have Sonar with Bootcamp that performs much better? 

Have you really tried the version they have published (I can not since I do not have Mac)?
I mean does it really performs "much better" on Windows?
 
Sonar is slower under Linux then on Windows, but with best settings it works reasonable. And that it just running normal X2, without any tweaks.
 
The emulation is not the same as let say for running DOS or Anroid apps. Nor it is as in virtual machine (while modern hardware is optimized for virtualization, there is still significant in some operations penalty). It is more like a BitBridge thing (running 32bit VST inside 64bit host), they have to "translate" calls "on the fly" and for most operations it is like translating "SetParameter" into "ParameterSet". I mean all OSes are not developed by aliens, they provide very similar set of functions and just name them differently.

Sanderxpander
I know you quoted me but I have no idea what you mean, sorry.

Yah Sorry...
 
Life time updates and development, continued means...On all Platforms...for Life...Life is not software, nor pc computer, or other machine or device.
 
Life time...is a odd word used.
 
And it means they will be fixing it for life of....Something living....And no promises of any bug fixes for some...and yet, it is dependent on OS....so, they cannot claim much or mud...In any aspect or reason!
 
Do not be confused.....Words...mean nothing but to, in so called asking for per payment in lue of...a event claimed by one...when so many variables are in third party ...And OS being with.
 
So both sides can confess....The life time of a living entity.....Knowing what LIFE TIME means!
 
And the word LIFE>
 
Sir.
 
Hope it clears up the . CW never Promised fix at all on both Platforms..."Promises mean nothing"...in advert law of the cash cow....Did you not read into the books I wrote on that OP of Life time updates?
 
Nope...because some cannot stay in focus of my words....Seems.
But they were there....Now they are not.
 
So,...hope the support is remote for all....in support for gained!
 
And if support as such I asked be,...And they do that...Well that is a comfort to some....but not the fix some need...if it is OS related most if not all the bugs....Then, it is not up to cakewalk to solve them, if the MS OS is not accessible to be nibbled or nudged into the Kernel or the shell..By their own ULA statements.
 
CW has theirs also.
 
So, when you say they never Promised MAC version full rewritten....They never Promise anything to anyone of any upholding ....if LIFE TIME TO FIX IT IS STATED WILL BE......
 
 
I can turn words...Just like they can....For that is assumed?...or meant?....well they can take it liken...."We are not going to continue working on X"....here is what we had going in, and it is what we had when shown under development?...or was it already developed but not fully written for Mac..tease...THEN Sorry!...That is the east wind way, blowing wind in the faces of...lazy or lost interests to do.
 
 
And they can do this ...without any other words, just put it all on hold for a while...And make em wait, and wait, and wait...Noted......And so can we all.....Sorry CW, and Sorry to you....Line upon line....Les....still they chime in....
 
I am sorry, I do not understand, nor  can read, what you mean Les.
 
And I know why Sanderexpander!
 
Some cannot twist it to a positive or negative ...Grace is living in the right hand of time!.
 
 Sorry!
 
Cheers!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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