Oh well. Thanks for the attempt, Cakewalk. That effort alone shows you've been listening. I still love your products, just not Windows. Maybe someday things will align in a new way.

Keni

brconflict
I downloaded and tried it, but it wouldn't run on my Mac. It errors out as damaged or incomplete.

I had that problem as well...

Contact Lance (bakers) for a simple fix...

See, constant fixes for what is offered.....Ah?...That means a honest heart is there!
 
And so...We wait more!.....Because I know it will help many sing when it is done baking!
And some offer because they support the ideal idea....eventually comes for the one, and the one is many Kinds waiting to do, on all Eli!
 
"Forgive them, they know not what they do" I heard in a echo loud and clear from the clouds....Is sorry needing necessity of life for some, Then...Give it,...not before showing what they say becomes, or..They are doing to promote a working state....That is to come...If so updates are still being given a fix...So, still development is now showing for.....GOOD!
 
And that is what I see as a extra mile put forth....Ah...
Show some are trying...Yet have not solved for the bug or the error...because it is in part tied to something, they ask for in exchange....
 
 
If it be, as I said to them...and it is in world also using...It is in that use ....And it brings in Jinn....And so, that is what is manifesting into World...using....Err...or chaos, or lies, and it turns to ...Ruin.
 
But, if it be a honest act of....Sorry is to give a repentance for...if so it is made better, or still trying to fix or make, Then Grace.....
 
 
See?....
 
Honour might side for a time to see.

Sir Lance..Rings a bell.....sounds liken a "round table of knighted knights" is just around the corner?...Arther....King or crown?....And Robbin hood ? Arrow, might come out of the forest, with maid Marrie, an host of men made ready to perform?....With little John?...One washed clean in the waters, many, and lost his head...etc.
 
Well Imagine if it happened, Just liken that , Gibson of A wood worker's spirit has?....instead of Babble of Babylon..lol.
 
Now that would be a story told in terms of..History lost or time forgotten...?
 
The Round table is hard to get to....Prudence is a testament for...Truth to be born, is truth put in or upon that table always!....Righteousness comes to help, helpers are made by...The one! ...And in that...Nothing is lost!
 
Some say yeh!
 
Cheers!
 
 
 
 

C Hudson
You keep mentioning this, but where are you pulling your data from? PC sales growth has once again shrunk and Mac has for the first time since 2001 shown decline. Thats hardly cause to label something unstable. 
If that is the case the PC/Windows market has been unstable for the last 10 years.
 

Larger number of households probably do well with just some smartphones and a tablet or something.
Don't know about educations and schools yet switch over, but daycare centers certainly do.
 
I asked my bank, Forex, if they would make a Windows Phone app - but there is no demand for it - so no. I mean Forex is an international bank. So iOS and Android is what goes these days.
 
And creative tools for music have started to evolve on these new platforms as well. Don't know if good enough to finalize a production yet, but might be good enough for larger part certain genres doing all ITB anyway.
 
Looked at stationary machines now started doing video, if to take it up a notch - and it's not cheap by any means to raise from what I bought 2010 - prices are not going down.
 
So Google and Apple own us all very soon.....

kevinwal
I may be completely wrong about this, but I don't think what Cakewalk was doing on the Mac port was, strictly speaking, emulation, at least not entirely. To my mind an emulator is a virtual machine along the lines of VMWare or HyperV or even Android emulators. I suspect a good deal of the core functionality in Sonar on Mac is running completely native, with OS calls (UI, devices, etc) going through the code weaver layer, and for many types of those calls I wouldn't be surprised to see minimal overhead.

As I have written before, you are right. Anyone interested how it works can check there:
https://www.winehq.org/

Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator")

 
I have X2 and X3 running that way (under Linux). Command Center runs and install Platinum, but Platinum exists immediately when started, without giving a hint what is wrong. Other then that, with some tweaks, things are running fine. Soft Synth (Z3TA, TruePiano) when running under Linux hosts (also throw Wine) are usable and have low latency. Sonar adds quite some latency, but the system on which I was using it is archaic (Centrino based). I could not test yet on i7 (using ASIO mode in Sonar requires careful tuning and compatible versions of intermediate layers, I have not found time to set that up).
 

What a joke.
 

azslow3

kevinwal
I may be completely wrong about this, but I don't think what Cakewalk was doing on the Mac port was, strictly speaking, emulation, at least not entirely. To my mind an emulator is a virtual machine along the lines of VMWare or HyperV or even Android emulators. I suspect a good deal of the core functionality in Sonar on Mac is running completely native, with OS calls (UI, devices, etc) going through the code weaver layer, and for many types of those calls I wouldn't be surprised to see minimal overhead.

As I have written before, you are right. Anyone interested how it works can check there:
https://www.winehq.org/

Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator")

 
I have X2 and X3 running that way (under Linux). Command Center runs and install Platinum, but Platinum exists immediately when started, without giving a hint what is wrong. Other then that, with some tweaks, things are running fine. Soft Synth (Z3TA, TruePiano) when running under Linux hosts (also throw Wine) are usable and have low latency. Sonar adds quite some latency, but the system on which I was using it is archaic (Centrino based). I could not test yet on i7 (using ASIO mode in Sonar requires careful tuning and compatible versions of intermediate layers, I have not found time to set that up).
 

Under WINE, can you run a project of 56 tracks, each with at minimum 4 Take Lanes per track, and 3 emulation Waves plug-ins per track at default buffer settings without audio frequent drop-outs?

WINE isn't really an emulator, correct. It's a translator.

I'm actually an Ubuntu fan, and Linux OS's are by far some of the most reliable and speediest OS's on the planet, relied upon by the savviest of businesses. My company uses Linux machines in physical and AWS cloud-based form to much success. This is why WINE could potentially be pretty fast. The OS underneath is stripped down of nearly everything else that's intensive. Windows and Mac OS can't easily be so stripped down, unfortunately. 

PCs and a Windows phone are not the same thing.

C Hudson

Anderton
 
.. the present instability of the Apple desktop market,  

You keep mentioning this, but where are you pulling your data from? PC sales growth has once again shrunk and Mac has for the first time since 2001 shown decline. Thats hardly cause to label something unstable. 
If that is the case the PC/Windows market has been unstable for the last 10 years.

 
From Netmarketshare, Mac OS X market share:
 
2017 2.94%
2016 3.74%
2015 3.92%
2014 3.68%
2013 6.25%
2012 5.83%
 
Some of the older Mac OS versions may be part of the single-digit “other” category, but the above gives you a good idea of market share OS.
 
However I was referring primarily to the concern from professionals in the "creative" fields (video, music, publishing, etc.) about Apple's apparent lack of interest in markets beyond mobile. The reality is creative types who need to get a computer now can either buy a Windows machine with state of the art hardware, or a Mac that costs more with hardware that's 2-3 generations behind, designed four years ago, and has limited expandability. In another thread someone claimed they hadn't heard about dissatisfaction with Apple from professionals; I included a bunch of links but don't feel like taking the time to find the links again. Here's one of many.
 
Furthermore, there's also no guarantee that Apple won't bundle Logic Pro X with new desktops to help sell hardware, which after all, is where Apple makes its bucks (remember, the price of Logic dropped from $999 to $199 - you can do those kind of things when you have billions of dollars in the bank from smart phones). 
 

As far as the Gibson pitch, I agree. That is a very hard sell. However, we would need to know how many people use Macs for audio creation as a possible market.

 
Estimates for Mac market share of the music market are between 45% and 55%, depending on who you ask. But the DAW market is pretty much flat (i.e., there's no big influx of new users), so the only way to gain market share is to convince existing users to switch. How many people who've invested heavily in Pro Tools, or how many Logic users, would switch to SONAR? I doubt very many.
 
 

Anderton

C Hudson

Anderton
 
.. the present instability of the Apple desktop market,  

You keep mentioning this, but where are you pulling your data from? PC sales growth has once again shrunk and Mac has for the first time since 2001 shown decline. Thats hardly cause to label something unstable. 
If that is the case the PC/Windows market has been unstable for the last 10 years.

 
From Netmarketshare, Mac OS X market share:
 
2017 2.94%
2016 3.74%
2015 3.92%
2014 3.68%
2013 6.25%
2012 5.83%
 
Some of the older Mac OS versions may be part of the single-digit “other” category, but the above gives you a good idea of market share OS.
 
However I was referring primarily to the concern from professionals in the "creative" fields (video, music, publishing, etc.) about Apple's apparent lack of interest in markets beyond mobile. The reality is creative types who need to get a computer now can either buy a Windows machine with state of the art hardware, or a Mac that costs more with hardware that's 2-3 generations behind, designed four years ago, and has limited expandability. In another thread someone claimed they hadn't heard about dissatisfaction with Apple from professionals; I included a bunch of links but don't feel like taking the time to find the links again. Here's one of many.
 
Furthermore, there's also no guarantee that Apple won't bundle Logic Pro X with new desktops to help sell hardware, which after all, is where Apple makes its bucks (remember, the price of Logic dropped from $999 to $199 - you can do those kind of things when you have billions of dollars in the bank from smart phones). 
 

As far as the Gibson pitch, I agree. That is a very hard sell. However, we would need to know how many people use Macs for audio creation as a possible market.

 
Estimates for Mac market share of the music market are between 45% and 55%, depending on who you ask. But the DAW market is pretty much flat (i.e., there's no big influx of new users), so the only way to gain market share is to convince existing users to switch. How many people who've invested heavily in Pro Tools, or how many Logic users, would switch to SONAR? I doubt very many.
 
 

 
Thanks, but I think your data is a bit flawed as OS penetration is not an accurate indication of hardware sold.
Check here:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-mac-computers-since-first-quarter-2006/
That's a chart based on hardware sold, not OS penetration.
Also of note, Windows penetration is now below 90 %, does that mean crisis for that camp too? I'm not too concerned :)
 
As for switching, I agree, not much movement there, but to say the only users buying new systems are those upgrading and not new users is a stretch. The real issue is how to entice new users to opt for something other than $199 logic or full on Pro Tools rig. That's a real challenge.