I'm surprised he hasn't been banned because his posts NEVER contribute to the discussion at hand, it's just inane ramblings about, well, I don't really know what they're about.

Bristol_Jonesey
I'm surprised he hasn't been banned because his posts NEVER contribute to the discussion at hand, it's just inane ramblings about, well, I don't really know what they're about.

I guess it is because no one can understand his posts and get upset by them.  I've tried to read a few of his posts but normally give up. 

C Hudson

backwoods
"Also of note, Windows penetration is now below 90 %, does that mean crisis for that camp too? I'm not too concerned :)"
 
 
lol %90 is a hell of a lot better than %3

As I said, I'm not worried:)
FWIW Craig's data only had 1 version of Mac OS. The 90 % has every flavour of windows. Semantics I know, as all totalled most likely still 7% , but billy bob in the trailer park running his 250 dollar Walmart notebook that runs windows is part of that 90% . There are millions more billy bobs than there are audio professionals running windows so any discussions about its merits based on how many people run windows vs how many run macs is kind of silly. More people will run windows for the foreseeable future because it can run on a broad scope of hardware and as such, can be installed on el cheapo machines and high end machines. I bet el cheapo out sells top tier 1000:1. Just a guess, but I bet not far off . Let's go make some music now....

FWIW, I know we won't see eye to eye on this and we don't have to, but for my part I wasn't saying that the studios around me around using OSX anymore, but rather that they don't buy Mac computers anymore. Three of them built hackintoshes due to the lack of sensible high end Apple desktop computers.

brconflict
Under WINE, can you run a project of 56 tracks, each with at minimum 4 Take Lanes per track, and 3 emulation Waves plug-ins per track at default buffer settings without audio frequent drop-outs? 

WINE isn't really an emulator, correct. It's a translator.

I'm actually an Ubuntu fan, and Linux OS's are by far some of the most reliable and speediest OS's on the planet, relied upon by the savviest of businesses. My company uses Linux machines in physical and AWS cloud-based form to much success. This is why WINE could potentially be pretty fast. The OS underneath is stripped down of nearly everything else that's intensive. Windows and Mac OS can't easily be so stripped down, unfortunately. 

WINE is essentially an implementation of the Windows API on the host platform (in this case MAC). The implementation uses native services available on MacOS. i.e its NOT actually running an emulated Windows OS but redirecting the API's used by an application to a native implementation for them.  In most cases the implementation is quite efficient, and details like having many tracks is irrelevant since all that code is running natively inside SONAR and isn't OS specific at all. In fact by the same measure the engine is 100% running in SONAR's code so WINE makes no difference there.
Where performance does differ is where the implementation of some Windows API's can be less efficient. For example some UI functions may not perform as well as native windows. In those cases we worked with Crossover and they made fixes/or optimizations to greatly improve it. It can be an ongoing process...
FWIW some WINE implementations are actually more performant than Windows, since they have less code and thereby less overhead. The biggest issue with the Wine approach is that you need to have Windows versions of the plugin's which makes it awkward for Mac users who may only have AU versions of plugins for example. There are potential ways around that but we didn't get to it for the alpha.

C Hudson

backwoods
"Also of note, Windows penetration is now below 90 %, does that mean crisis for that camp too? I'm not too concerned :)"
 
 
lol %90 is a hell of a lot better than %3

As I said, I'm not worried:)
FWIW Craig's data only had 1 version of Mac OS.

Not true, the stats for the first two years included a couple flavors of Mac OS and I also stated that older versions were probably part of the small percentage of "other." However it's also the case that Macs are more likely to stay current for two reasons: They're not deployed as often in enterprise situations where updating means going through thousands of machines, and compatibility issues.

Anderton

C Hudson

backwoods
"Also of note, Windows penetration is now below 90 %, does that mean crisis for that camp too? I'm not too concerned :)"


lol %90 is a hell of a lot better than %3

As I said, I'm not worried:)
FWIW Craig's data only had 1 version of Mac OS.

Not true, the stats for the first two years included a couple flavors of Mac OS and I also stated that older versions were probably part of the small percentage of "other." However it's also the case that Macs are more likely to stay current for two reasons: They're not deployed as often in enterprise situations where updating means going through thousands of machines, and compatibility issues.

This is anecdotal but if there is one thing which seems a constant in every studio I've visited and among the people who work there, it's that they tend to always be a few versions behind and usually avoid upgrades and updates as much as possible (OS and DAW software - I don't think I know anyone who runs Pro Tools 12).
 
When the computer is but one component and when there is a lot of hardware involved (AVID control surfaces, DSP cards, etc), people often seem to value a stable, working configuration over the lastest/fastest.
 
Of course, that is just my personal observation. But still... Most Mac owners I know don't really care for the latest/fastest. They have many other priorities before that.
 
As I mentioned earlier, the fact that Abbey Road decided to equip its 2 new studios with Mac computers - despite them being a few generations behind - illustrate just that. It's certainly not because they couldn't afford killer PCs.
 
Obviously, that's just one segment of the industry. But in my personal experience, that attitude is not uncommon in other segments too. 

 
Anyone notice that the ownership data in help for the prototype shows a 1 year ownership?
 
Did I read that correctly? This version will only bo good for 1 year?
 
I hope that's not right....
 

Keni
 
Anyone notice that the ownership data in help for the prototype shows a 1 year ownership?
 
Did I read that correctly? This version will only bo good for 1 year?
 
I hope that's not right....
 

It's not time-limited - as long as nothing breaks in Mac OS X, it'll continue to work.

Alex Westner [Cakewalk]

Keni
 
Anyone notice that the ownership data in help for the prototype shows a 1 year ownership?
 
Did I read that correctly? This version will only bo good for 1 year?
 
I hope that's not right....
 

It's not time-limited - as long as nothing breaks in Mac OS X, it'll continue to work.

Whew! ;-)

Thanks Alex!

Is the prototype abandonware (never liked that term), or is it going to still see fixes for issues uncovered up to that 1-year? I wouldn't mind using it, if I can get it running on my Mac.