Pretty perceptive post there. IMHO what turned things around for MS was when they replaced the desktop team with the mobile team. The desktop team couldn't figure out how to get small, but the mobile team could figure out how to get big.
 
MS is looking pretty good these days...

cparmerlee
That certainly is a possibility, but IMHO, Apple long ago decided the whole world wants everything to exist on screens that are no more than 1/4" thick and 10" on diagonal -- and seriously, keyboards and mice are so 1980. 
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Certainly there are many things humans want to do that work well with such a format.  There might even be some mini-DAW cases where that is a good thing.  But I do not believe that anybody in any position of authority at Apple appreciates that there are some applications that really do work best with big, powerful desktop platforms and lots of glass.

You've not yet seen a 27" 5K Retina iMac yet then? Or even the 4K that's been around for quite a while? Or noticed you can hook up additional screens to any Mac apart possibly from the socket-light MacBook.

The iMac Pro that's been announced as launching in December looks interesting as well. Probably cost a fortune though. It will be interesting to see if the very long in the tooth and very expensive "wastebin" style Mac Pro is the last of a separate "Pro" line from the iMacs.

Incidentally, a high-quality 10" or thereabouts screen built into a very portable tablet is pretty good for lots of the "everyday" computing stuff most people use computers for. Apple got into the tablet market early and have captured a pretty big chunk of it. Portable computers - even phone sized portable computers - are very much where a lot of the market is these days. MS were slow into that market, possibly because they don't sell hardware as the major part of their business model, and are playing catch-up in many ways. Interestingly, the MS decision to make desktop Windows 8 onwards look and behave like an overgrown very easy to use tablet with the "traditional desktop" functions playing second fiddle to the wonders of screen-filling menu tiles and "apps" isn't a route Apple decided to go down, MacOS is very much still a desktop Unix (well, FreeBSD) based OS.

I wouldn't write Apple off yet. Nor MS for that matter. Both systems have strengths and weaknesses.

cparmerlee Under Ballmer's watch, he pushed Microsoft to believe that people actually wanted desktop machines to work exactly like phones, and that whole "Metro" app thing almost did Microsoft in. (I am talking the end user side of Microsoft.  The "corporate" side was always strong, anchored by SQL server and related products.)
 
But it does seem that Microsoft has learned an important lesson.  That is, while desktops may not be sexy or a high growth area, they are vital to a large number of applications and failure in that area reflects badly on everything else Microsoft tries to do.  Not coincidentally, about the same time, Microsoft figured out nobody even wanted phones to work the way Microsoft envisioned them, let alone forcing that framework on the desktop systems.

i know, metro, wtf were they thinking?? especially when there's only 3 people in the whole world who use windows phone... idiots... thank goodness they turned it around

Prototype is disaster . I ll never go back to Sonar . 

tlw

cparmerlee

The iMac Pro that's been announced as launching in December looks interesting as well. Probably cost a fortune though. It will be interesting to see if the very long in the tooth and very expensive "wastebin" style Mac Pro is the last of a separate "Pro" line from the iMacs.

 
iMac Pro...LOL!

bbbisser
Prototype is disaster . I ll never go back to Sonar . 

Your two posts were truly memorable. No doubt you'll be missed.

Looks like not very succesfull port with virtual windows environment (or sth like that?)
Bugs were noticed:
1. Can't rename track. (hotkeys always pressed)
2. No event list (alt + 8)?

yeah... what on earth were they thinking?

This thread is like Jon Snow.
 
Just when you thought he was dead, his eyes open again.

I feel bad for anyone who purchased a MAC thinking that someday they could run SONAR on it?