• SONAR
  • The SONAR Mac Prototype, a collaboration between Cakewalk and CodeWeavers (p.33)
2017/09/17 01:29:10
Anderton
Apparently Keni has a "Mac Version" of SONAR that runs just fine...as do many other people.
 
The days of PPC are over. If you want to make music, get an appliance and run SONAR on it. Doesn't matter if the appliance has a Mac logo or something else.
2017/09/17 03:32:54
cparmerlee
chuckebaby
I know its not funny, more bizarre if anything. but this ^^^  is so true.

These are the same people that will evidently pay $1000 for a phone.
 
2017/09/17 08:20:32
Sir Les
How many other people are saying bugs are happening?...count them yet?
Oh and what constitutes Sonar Alpha as a Platinum?...if it is not all ...then it is not ported proper all as...is on one, is on the other working as ....
 
that is why you cannot say Mr Anderton it is a Mac version of SONAR...as it is not....see how we lie and do not even see we do?.
 
That is what makes this solving for so hard.
 
 
They will not admit it....just to save face some do...not knowing they do, and some say...because it pays them to say it..and some believe in the lies told more so then the truth....
 
 
Carry on our wayward sons (and daughters all getting ills and worries in the world of flesh, and organ removal sold, with the blood and waters tainting, and the dome being sabotaged , so it is not blue, and good deeded needed now doctors injecting in the dumb dumb juice, to make seedless and sterilize many, for more selling of seeds to one ideal anti so you have not even a seed to sow , not letting the other be untainted with seed or sin,..in them, there will be peace when sins are gone....and it is as he said...seeds in them fruits be...)
Lay your weary head to rest,...Don't you cry no more....
 
 
 
So what is Anti...is happening!
 
 
 
 
 
But they do not believe, because they do not believe it could be?...But is!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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2017/09/17 08:22:37
RSMCGUITAR
Captain Logic swoops in and saves the day.
2017/09/17 14:47:50
JCB
kzmaier
Very pleased with the commitment to the windows platform!!!
 
Doing one platform great is much better than 2 platforms not so...


My sentiments completely. Thank you Cakewalk for showing transparency and honesty. I look forward to the future with much more confidence in Cakewalk / Sonar. I think the future is bright for music / PC / Windows / Sonar.
 
JCB
2017/09/18 11:41:32
Bristol_Jonesey
jimkleban
I feel bad for anyone who purchased a MAC 

Fixed 
2017/09/18 12:47:41
azslow3
pwalpwal
it was a crazy (crazy!) idea right from the get-go... i wonder who at cake (or roland at the time) thought it was do-able??

I do not think Codewavers approach was crazy:
a) I run X2/X3 under Linux/Wine. The beta runs under OSX/Wine and it works. I hope someone someday understand why Platinum silently exit in that environment (my current guess - the copy protection introduces in Platinum...). Not as good as "native", some glitches, but it works. So, it is doable!
b) all multi-platform plug-ins/programs are compiled from the same code. They usually use specialized API behind, but Codewavers have made a big part of standard Windows API behave like a multi-planform API. So the approach itself technically proved to be quite usable.
 
I wish someone from CW continues with the approach. May be not official, but in general working under Linux/OSX Sonar can be handy (f.e. quick open something without reboot for users, trace behavior in completely different environment for devs). And I do not think that is extremely time consuming, especially if codewavers direct relations are not dropped. 
2017/09/20 19:17:07
SilkTone
I read most of the replies in this thread, but not all so maybe this was already mentioned. Any time you port any application from one platform to another, you have to take into account that the other platform does things differently and requires different optimizations. If your application does anything remotely real-time or high performance (e.g. a game or DAW), and you don't code specifically for that platform, it will almost always be sub-par.
 
One can see some of this in Melodyne for Windows. The UI is horribly sluggish compared to the Mac version. There is absolutely no reason why the "blobs" should be redrawing at the slow rate they are, even on a fast computer with high end graphics. This is not because Windows can't handle fast graphics, just that Melodyne is graphically optimized for the way the Mac's graphics works, and then some way is used to "port" that same code to Windows. The fact that the menus are Mac-like shows Celemony doesn't bother developing code the way it is supposed to work on each platform. The end result is sub-par (although I do like Melodyne a lot, just that it could have been better).
 
Since it seems CW also didn't want to go the route of doing a proper port, the decision to no longer support the Mac was probably the right one.
2017/09/20 23:00:14
azslow3
During the era of PowerPC + OS9 vs Intel DOS/Windows 95 vs Something + Uni*, I could agree. But today the hardware is effectively the same, memory model and process scheduling, driven by the platform, has also merged between Linux/BSD/Windows. The graphics, while still having historical roots in a bit different approaches of X servers, Win32 API, etc. also has common factors, again driven by the same hardware capabilities.
2017/09/21 00:42:12
kevinwal
I'll agree with you to the extent that the hardware is pretty much standardized now, but the programming models are wildly different. Ironically, if you're doing  your UI in graphics primitives you're in better shape than if you're using a sophisticated UI framework like WPF. Microsoft has been busy moving the .NET platform to open source but so far they've made no announcements that I'm aware of to open source any XAML-based frameworks. If they did it would be a huge step forward.
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