Excusez-moi, je vais poster en français.

Est-ce que tout simplement le programme n'est pas aller jusqu'au bout de ce qu'on lui demandait de faire ?

Il est tout simplement parfait !

Après ce sera une question de plug-ins que l'on trouve pour tous les autres programmes, mais la base est là !

J'ai essayé depuis quelques semaines différents programmes pour trouver une alternative, (évidemment les versions LE) : aucun quoi-qu'on en dise n'est aussi abouti .

Pour ce qui est des buggs, j'ai remarqué qu'ils résultaient de drivers ou de matériel obsolète et non d'un dysfonctionnement du programme.

En tout cas vais garder Sonar le plus longtemps possible !!!


Traduit SGDG

Excuse me, I will post in French.

Is the program simply not going to the end of what it was asked to do?

He is simply perfect !

After this will be a question of plug-ins that we find for all other programs, but the base is there!

I have tried for several weeks programs to find an alternative, (obviously LE versions): no-what we say is also successful.

As for the buggs, I noticed that they were the result of drivers or obsolete hardware and not a malfunction of the program.

In any case will keep Sonar as long as possible!

flamionAs for the buggs, I noticed that they were the result of drivers or obsolete hardware and not a malfunction of the program.

A lot of the time this is absolutely true.
But don't kid yourself Sonar has a LOT of bugs.

Anyway that discussion doesn't matter any more, it's just a pity it wasn't addressed (was ignored or rejected) when it did matter and there wasn't more transparency, maybe it would have been in a better situation to sell, then again perhaps not.

CakeAlexSHere

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I've never known a COMPUTER PROGRAM where that wasn't true !

Tip. Don't fly planes.

fwiw, i regularly thank the local deities i'm not involved with developing "life" software (medical, traffic, atc...)

CakeAlexSHere

But don't kid yourself Sonar has a LOT of bugs.

Not to say it was worse than any other DAW, but the above statement is true.  Just look at the list of bugs that were fixed with each of the monthly releases on the lifetime update plan.  I've come across numerous bugs that have nothing to do with plug-ins.  Sometimes they were bad enough to make the program unusable for certain things.  Overall, it was a great highly functional DAW, maybe the best but not perfect.
 

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sharke

deswind
Better the bugs you know than the ones yet to be encountered on another DAW.
I love Sonar and all its bugs.

Well, there are bugs and there are bugs. The kind of bugs that are just an annoyance and which can be worked around, I'll put up with those. Especially when I know there's a possibility of them getting fixed in the future (even though Sonar has a ton of those bugs which never got fixed despite being reported for years). On the other hand, there are the kind of catastrophic bugs which cause you to lose work, and which have no convenient workaround. Sonar has a few of those as well, and they'll never be fixed. 

Sharke... come on now be real. If Sonar had that many bugs you would have been gone a long time ago. Matter of fact, you wouldn't be here right now. You'd be using that new "90% bug free" DAW of yours that you purchased with a cross grade offer.
 
Not everyone inserts 100 tracks in to their projects.
As a matter of fact, im guessing most of us here (75%) are amateur, hobbyists with about 10 - 40 tracks per project.
Sonar had many little quirks and it also had some long standing bugs But if it were really that bad with "catastrophic bugs" You would have been gone long ago and I would have been right behind you. We both would have been buying new DAW's.
 
Problem solving and trouble tracking (you and I both know very well) can have multiple factors. I might see a bug that you never will because of:
1-  Different hardware, Control surface device
2- I may never use that function the same way you do.
3- I may have a plug in you do not.
 

Sonar does have that many bugs, and I thought about jumping ship on a regular basis. I stuck at it though, mainly because a) I really like the workflow of Sonar (when you forget about these issues) and b) I lived in hope that these issues would one day get fixed. And that was the frustrating thing about beta testing. My testing account is full of problems that were never fixed because they were so weird that I couldn't formulate recipes for them. I'd send off a project and would hear back "we're not seeing this at our end" or whatever. The issue with the Quadcurve boosting random bands (reported by others) was a classic example, as is the ongoing issue with some plugins losing their settings. There is a ton of other weird stuff I see on a regular basis but could never formulate recipes for, like for instance sometimes I'll move a clip and when I release the mouse button, it jumps to another position. And a huge number of problems with automation lanes (including them going missing) which caused me intense frustration, ruined entire nights of creativity and caused me to lose work.  And other things which didn't cause crashes or loss of work but which caused serious problems nonetheless, like automation going out of sync with the playhead during looping, things like that. There were loads of stupid bugs which were reported thoroughly by users for years but which never got fixed. Things that really should have been fixed years ago. The MIDI crosstalk problems are such that I have seen projects get to the point where simply pressing one track's mute button can cause a kick drum to sound in a completely unrelated drum VSTi on another track. 
 
You're actually making my point for me in some respects. No, not everyone works with large, complex projects. But a DAW like Sonar should be able to handle them without issues, and if it doesn't then the DAW is problematic, period - regardless of how many people are having a good experience with smaller projects. 
 
Hardware has nothing to do with any of the issues which plagued me, and even if it did, why should it? There has always been a tendency on the Sonar forum to dismiss people's problems as being due to a particular hardware configuration that Sonar could not be blamed for, and I've even heard people cite hardware as a possibility for bugs that clearly had nothing whatsoever to do with hardware. 

sharke There has always been a tendency on the Sonar forum to dismiss people's problems as being due to a particular hardware configuration that Sonar could not be blamed for, and I've even heard people cite hardware as a possibility for bugs that clearly had nothing whatsoever to do with hardware. 

May I add this would often be done by people who would have little technical expertise in the specific area they were talking about (made obvious by the way they wrote). Just because it was said by them (often a "trusted authority") was good enough reason for others to accept it and shut down others who could actually clearly demonstrate an actual issue, or at least show something that could not be ruled out.

Anyway... It's history.

I will agree with you gents 100%. This software had bugs, quirks and things that made me scratch my head.
But I stuck with it because I've tried the alternatives, the work flow, the features and Sonar came out on top. Even for its quirks and bugs. it was worth the trade off.
 
If something is that bad, I don't stick around because I am hopeful that it might get fixed. Im frickin out of here.
Its as simple as that.
If something was "Catastrophic" That would only happen once because im not going to let it happen again. 
Im not waiting around for the next time.
 
Anyway, im still using sonar right now
 
Good luck to you guys no matter what you end up doing.
Be happy and find a new DAW if your unhappy. Life is too short to complain over something that's not being developed anymore.

J'ai eu un bug récurrent avec Sonar.
Impossible de comprendre ! Bien sur j'ai envoyé des messages au support en les maudissant et j'ai trouvé !
C'était tout simplement le clavier de l'ordinateur qui était trop vieux.
Je l'ai changé et plus de bugs !!!

Changez vos claviers ...
 
I had a recurring bug with Sonar.
Impossible to understand! Of course I sent messages to support by cursing them and I found!
It was simply the keyboard of the computer that was too old.
I changed it and more bugs !!!

Change your keyboards ...

CakeAlexSHere
Anyway... It's history.

time to move on, eh?

Yup :)