• SONAR
  • Cakewalk Announcement (p.151)
2018/01/05 20:29:20
sharke
marled
I think there are 3 camps, the third one are those who irrationally trash Sonar, instead of liking to use it as long as possible or go forward to another DAW.




Please explain how discussing very real problems with a program is "irrational." To me, ignoring them is far less rational. 
2018/01/05 20:30:07
CakeAlexSHere
chuckebaby
I believe any DAW will show the same results.
Do that same search only put Reaper, Studio one or Cubase.
I just did and guess what ?
 
Cubase
Reaper
Studio one

 
What you are showing us is not the same search, my search excluded cakewalk.com as I wanted to show what the outside world were talking about, not what Cakewalk forums people were talking about.
 
My search parameters were (observe the minus sign):
sonar buggy bugs cakewalk -site:cakewalk.com
 
Your "comparable" searches are:
cubase buggy
reaper daw buggy
studio one buggy
 
So this is not a like for like comparison.
If you need to prove a point please provide similar links to mine.
2018/01/05 20:45:16
chuckebaby
CakeAlexSHere
chuckebaby
I believe any DAW will show the same results.
Do that same search only put Reaper, Studio one or Cubase.
I just did and guess what ?
 
Cubase
Reaper
Studio one

 
What you are showing us is not the same search, my search excluded cakewalk.com as I wanted to show what the outside world were talking about, not what Cakewalk forums people were talking about.
 
My search parameters were (observe the minus sign):
sonar buggy bugs cakewalk -site:cakewalk.com
 
Your "comparable" searches are:
cubase buggy
reaper daw buggy
studio one buggy
 
So this is not a like for like comparison.
If you need to prove a point please provide similar links to mine.


 
This better ? Look at all of them. There are pages and pages of them.
Especially Studio one on Gearslutz

Cubase
Studio one
Reaper
 
Trying to understand your point really. you post a link for all the bugs in sonar in other forums yet im seeing the exact same thing for any other DAW out there.
 
2018/01/05 20:45:36
CakeAlexSHere
sharke
 
Please explain how discussing very real problems with a program is "irrational." To me, ignoring them is far less rational. 


Years and years ago I was saying exactly the same thing, being shouted down everywhere, at that time Cakewalk so still going. It was NOT fun.


Now they will never be fixed . So I guess even thinking about bugs in this product is irrational now, and we need to move on. Such a pity... :(

OK I've grieved.. It's Friday, I'll get out Ableton and I'll feel a lot happier...
2018/01/05 20:48:48
chuckebaby
To be honest, never mind.  I forgot why I care.
It doesn't matter.
2018/01/05 20:50:13
dubdisciple
Demonstrating that disgruntled ex users will sometimes post on forums complaining tells me nothing but the obvious. People who abandon a product tend to have the bizarre need to trash it afterwards. What this tells me more than anything is that give any product decades of existence in internet age and do a google search for negatives and you will get massive hits. What this doesn't tell me is whether cakewalk had a reputation for bugs so widespread and commonly known that it was an every day conversation. A search of reviews certainly does not support that claim. Most reviews of sonar don't mention bugs. Negatives are mentioned but buggy does not seem to be the consensus .
2018/01/05 20:51:00
dubdisciple
Wtf am i doing? I know better to engage alex. Lol
2018/01/05 20:56:52
CakeAlexSHere
chuckebaby
This better ? Look at all of them. There are pages and pages of them.
Especially Studio one on Gearslutz

Cubase
Studio one
Reaper
 
Trying to understand your point really. you post a link for all the bugs in sonar in other forums yet im seeing the exact same thing for any other DAW out there.
 

 
It's still not the same search. I was very clear on the search terms. You needed to put the word bug (you only put buggy) in the search term. In other search terms you put in the word DAW. It may seem trivial but it narrows down the search scope by thousands, you are coming up with a lot of false positives because you are effectively using OR not AND.
 
Once you corrected this I suggest you observe the sort of discussions going around (like I already have) in the first page of results. In the case of Sonar you will see LOTS of arguments about it being horrible and buggy. To a lesser so you will see similar arguments in Cubase (a lot smaller though). With the rest of the DAWs they are mainly troubleshooting stuff like plugins etc. It's not something you are going to research in five minutes.
 
Anyway there you go.
2018/01/05 21:19:48
sharke
dubdisciple
Demonstrating that disgruntled ex users will sometimes post on forums complaining tells me nothing but the obvious. People who abandon a product tend to have the bizarre need to trash it afterwards. What this tells me more than anything is that give any product decades of existence in internet age and do a google search for negatives and you will get massive hits. What this doesn't tell me is whether cakewalk had a reputation for bugs so widespread and commonly known that it was an every day conversation. A search of reviews certainly does not support that claim. Most reviews of sonar don't mention bugs. Negatives are mentioned but buggy does not seem to be the consensus .



I don't think anyone's claiming that the sole reason Cakewalk died was because of Sonar's reputation for being buggy. But, it didn't exactly help matters. Nor is anyone claiming that Sonar's bugginess was "everyday conversation." Of course it wasn't. Why would it be? Also, I find this tendency to dismiss people as "disgruntled ex users" to be a little problematic. It insinuates that people's negative experiences with Sonar can or should be dismissed as irrelevant, perhaps that they're too bitter and twisted to offer an objective opinion. Let's imagine you've invested thousands in Sonar over the years, and the program becomes problematic for you. Bugs, crashes, weirdness, you name it. The problems persist with no fix forthcoming. Even really stupid bugs that should have been prioritized years ago. Your music sessions are frustrating, you're even losing work. Your experience on the Cakewalk forums is that people dismiss your problems as user error, or hardware related, and people question why you feel the need to "trash talk" Sonar. But regardless, your problems with Sonar persist. So in the end you switch DAW's and you're happy. Every now and then someone on another forum asks if anyone knows anything about Sonar. What are you going to do? Keep quiet? Offer no opinion at all? Of course not - you see someone about to drop $100's on a program that you know contains some very serious flaws, and you relate your experience. I don't see why doing so should be dismissed as the rant of a disgruntled ex-user. It's not as if they initiated a thread entitled "Sonar is Crap." Someone asked a question and they responded. If they "felt the need" to do something, it was to give advice to a person who was in the market for a DAW, not just to trash something for the sake of it. 
 
Also, very few DAW reviews go into detail about bugs. That's because many bugs don't reveal themselves until you've been using the program in depth for a while. For instance, I don't really see half of the problems I see with Sonar until I have a really big, mature project with a lot of data flying around. I might not get to that stage during the course of writing a DAW review. It's like Amazon reviews - I always look for the ones which have updates. Because most of the reviews on there are based upon the customer's initial feelings about a product. A few months down the line, you might well have a different opinion about a product, but not everybody goes back to change their review. As an example of this, I once bought an air humidifier based upon the reviews it got on Amazon. It was very highly rated. Three months down the line, my humidifier developed a leak which meant it would empty the entire reservoir on the floor. Going back to the reviews and reading them in more depth, I found a few updated ones which described exactly the same problem happening to people after a similar spell of time. So as helpful as reviews are, they're very rarely the full story. 
2018/01/05 21:37:28
rscain
CakeAlexSHere
rscain
Wow, you guys spending all this time arguing over a dead program?

 
Discussions/debates/the search for "truth" or differing views does not have to be boxed up and categorized as "arguments".

Anyway I think it's part of the mourning process. It will pass and I am past it.
I have nothing to publicize, peddle or sell (nor have I ever) so I'm done.


Fair enough and of course, you're correct. I suppose posting a pretty snarky comment is part of my mourning process, and I apologize if I was out of line.
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