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2018/01/10 01:09:51
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
For those not familiar with how business transitions it may be educational to take a look at this link. It can be even more complicated for corporations since there is a lot of paperwork and prep. The word transition used in our announcement applies to the business which in this case would be Cakewalk and its assets. I can see why users are uncomfortable with the uncertainty, but there is a formal legal process that has to be followed and it would be pointless for anyone to make premature statements.
2018/01/10 01:18:36
backwoods
is all this transition stuff normally happening in the background before closure/new ownership is announced? 
2018/01/10 01:21:01
msmcleod
aemmett
Sounds like problematic architecture. I know that is simplistic, but better to have a go than to just let it die.
Bring it on I say, a learning opportunity if nothing else



Software that is more than 25 years old has an architecture that evolves. In an ideal world you'd refactor everything as you go along to keep the architecture "clean", but commercial pressures mean this isn't always possible.
 
In saying that, Noel has alluded (on the Cakewalk Talk group in Facebook) to plenty of refactoring that has been done since SPLAT, which the monthly updates and a more agile approach to development has allowed them to carry out.
 
I'm sure it would
chuckebaby
As noel mentioned earlier, this code is 8 feet thick and probably takes years of knowing your way around to fix one thing. that's the trouble really. you make one change and the domino effect takes place.
IE: 1 fix = 2 more bugs that surface.



I'm sure any decent developer could get to grips with the code in 3 to 6 months (based on my own experience with having to learn legacy code when joining new companies). However there's probably quite a few "gotcha's" in the code like OS bug workarounds and wierd tricks to improve performance, which only someone with years of working with it would know about. These are the types of things that, unless you're aware of them, will have the "software kerplunk" effect of every bug you fix causes two (or more!) bugs to appear.
 
I suspect that as long as there's at least one experienced team member left if/when Cakewalk has a new owner, then it should be pretty straightforward to get experienced developers up to speed.
 
M.
2018/01/10 04:48:56
pavlo0001
THIS MAKES NO SENSE!!! 30 YEARS developing a great product and then just  puff!? what is Gibson doing??
They just bough cakewalk to milk it and let it die? great strategy...  good thing I didn't buy the perpetual upgrade subscription too but I did spend tons upgrading to platinum... I hate Gibson now and their overpriced & heavy guitars...
I should have done like the rest and buy pro-tools or I HAVE to NOW!! this suckkkkksss!!
 
**Sorry for the internal developers and employees, you probably feel worse.. capitalism can be cruel.
2018/01/10 05:16:18
noynekker
bapu
When I said stupid things as a young man my Dad would say "You're talking like a man with paper a**hole."
 


What ? I know he has more posts than anyone in the history of this forum, but can't we just ban him for these useless and demeaning posts, especially since they are jokes that no one gets ? C'mon Bapu, I know you can offer something more useful than this, put some effort into it.
2018/01/10 06:05:00
Gmichaelhall
Greetings all, I hope I'm not going off topic by asking a few questions about my cakewalk account...
1. Can we still change or update our password? I'm kind of nervous to even try, considering the current situation with Sonar.
2. I have not received any email notification regarding the demise of Sonar and found out only by coming to this forum to peruse for a fix for an aud. Ini issue I thought I was having. In any case, I am a very long time user of Sonar and I'm concerned that if I have some computer related issues that I will lose my access to SPlat, even though I have the software itself backed up on another drive. Will we be issued a perpetual reg key so that we can at the very least access this most recent version of SPlat? The notion of returning to PT for producing and mixing is not something I look forward to but here we are.
3. I always received email notification when a new version of SPLAT was released, but now it's just crickets, am I missing out onany official communication from Cakewalk?
Lastly,
4. I know it's a real punt but has any talk come up regarding Cakewalk being acquired by any other organisation that might take on the distribution and functionality development of SPlat? In a perfect world, a company like Harrison Mixbus merging/integrating Cakewalk with their own software would be a great outcome if Gibson isn't holding copyright or intellectual property hostage, and making any transition all but impossible.
Just for the record, I work the absolute sh*te outta SPlat and as of this month, it's been an entire year with not a single crash or freeze [that I didn't cause my own self!] and as happy as I am to share that experience with any bothering to read my length post, it's equally sad to see such a fine tuned platform mothballed over just money. To go out on such stable footing is as proud an accomplishment as it is really disheartening an example of how the modern business model victimises its own in the name of profits for the very very few. Regards, Michael ✌️
2018/01/10 06:51:11
Snehankur
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
For those not familiar with how business transitions it may be educational to take a look at this link. It can be even more complicated for corporations since there is a lot of paperwork and prep. The word transition used in our announcement applies to the business which in this case would be Cakewalk and its assets. I can see why users are uncomfortable with the uncertainty, but there is a formal legal process that has to be followed and it would be pointless for anyone to make premature statements.

I don't have idea about copyright of codes. Can the logic be copyrighted?
What if you and your team recreate this different name different UI? [with no lifetime updates.]
Regards
Snehankur
2018/01/10 08:04:21
mudgel
Gmichaelhall
Greetings all, I hope I'm not going off topic by asking a few questions about my cakewalk account...
1. Can we still change or update our password? I'm kind of nervous to even try, considering the current situation with Sonar.
2. I have not received any email notification regarding the demise of Sonar and found out only by coming to this forum to peruse for a fix for an aud. Ini issue I thought I was having. In any case, I am a very long time user of Sonar and I'm concerned that if I have some computer related issues that I will lose my access to SPlat, even though I have the software itself backed up on another drive. Will we be issued a perpetual reg key so that we can at the very least access this most recent version of SPlat? The notion of returning to PT for producing and mixing is not something I look forward to but here we are.
3. I always received email notification when a new version of SPLAT was released, but now it's just crickets, am I missing out onany official communication from Cakewalk?
Lastly,
4. I know it's a real punt but has any talk come up regarding Cakewalk being acquired by any other organisation that might take on the distribution and functionality development of SPlat? In a perfect world, a company like Harrison Mixbus merging/integrating Cakewalk with their own software would be a great outcome if Gibson isn't holding copyright or intellectual property hostage, and making any transition all but impossible.
Just for the record, I work the absolute sh*te outta SPlat and as of this month, it's been an entire year with not a single crash or freeze [that I didn't cause my own self!] and as happy as I am to share that experience with any bothering to read my length post, it's equally sad to see such a fine tuned platform mothballed over just money. To go out on such stable footing is as proud an accomplishment as it is really disheartening an example of how the modern business model victimises its own in the name of profits for the very very few. Regards, Michael ✌️


1. Yes. You can still use your online account as before. If you’re on Platinum you are reliant on the authorisation servers running to re-authorise should you install Sonar on another computer.

2. If you have problems there is still the forum for help. You might just have to yell to get someone to notice you. Lots of folks caught in never ending loops discussing what’s happened.

3. No emails from Cakewalk. I would read the last 5 pages of this thread to catch up.

4. Lots of speculation as to what may or may not happen. None of it supported by any facts. And comments made by Noel recently seem couched in such ways as to still leave matters very unclear.

I’ve tried not to put any opinion in here. But again. Read the last 5 pages. I’m about to do it again.
2018/01/10 08:49:06
andylama
Dear Noel & Co.,

I've been a faithful user since...uhh...Pro Audio 9 or so?  Nearly 20 years?  LONG time.
I wish the Cakewalk folks the best possible outcome, and I hope your corporate overlords do right by you in the end.
I know that business is business, and in the corporate world, we all get to be victims at some point...and there's never anyone to hold personally responsible.  I've been there and I get it.
 
Nevertheless, I've had some truly life-changing magical musical experiences using Cakewalk over the years, and I cherish that.
It's been a great ride, and I will continue to use my Sonar until it becomes unmaintainable.
 
I do have a practical question though:  As I got this bad news, I was getting ready to reformat my PC with Win10 and reinstall everything fresh.  At this point, will it all still work as if everything was hunky-dory?  (online servers still serving, etc.)  If so, can I assume it will remain so for at least several more weeks?  I really wanted to start with a 'fresh build' as the Cakewalk sun sets.  Furthermore, even after the servers presumably go down, if I have downloaded all the install packages, will I still be able to assemble a fresh build, say, next year or whenever?
 
Thanks, folks.  Really...thank you so much.  You'll never know how you've brought joy to my life via my little home studio, but you did.

Namaste, etc.  ;)
2018/01/10 10:01:07
PhilipMikols
andylama
I do have a practical question though:  As I got this bad news, I was getting ready to reformat my PC with Win10 and reinstall everything fresh.  At this point, will it all still work as if everything was hunky-dory?  (online servers still serving, etc.)  If so, can I assume it will remain so for at least several more weeks?  I really wanted to start with a 'fresh build' as the Cakewalk sun sets.  Furthermore, even after the servers presumably go down, if I have downloaded all the install packages, will I still be able to assemble a fresh build, say, next year or whenever?



I had bought a new laptop and when I went to load Splat that is when I found out it was being scuttled. So I setup the laptop, updated everything and Splat and all the other plugins, etc. loaded just fine and had no issues with it.
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