EnriqueLab
Paso por mi cabeza algo realmente enfermo... ¿y si google adquiriera Sonar?
 

Something really sick is going through my head ... what if Google acquired Sonar?

Go and wash your mouth out!

CakeAlexSHere

michael diemer

For what it's worth, weird things were happening to my Reaper projects, toward the end, just like you had in Sonar. It would kick back to the beginning every time I copied something. Also there were other things, some of which cost me days to fix. 
 
Still, Reaper is a fine program. It may be that these problems only happen with long projects (over 5 minutes), but all my projects are long. I'm working faster now that I'm back in Sonar. Takeaway? All programs have bugs and weirdness. The hit or miss nature of some of them may be due to an unusual workflow, idiosyncratic ways of doing things that the developers did not anticipate. 

^^ These sort of statements are exactly what make Sonar what it is today... the DAW Sonar fans deserve, accepting everything coming to them.

 
Repeat after me: t-r-a-d-e-o-f-f.
 
Intelligent people - and trust me, you are not the only one on the planet - weigh pros and cons, and decide whether the pros outweigh the cons. Some people will accept bugs in a program if that program does exactly what they need in other respects.
 
It would be equally idiotic to say Studio One fans deserve the limitations of Studio One (no upsampling, no mix recall, no DSD import/export, no DX support, no staff view, no ripple editing, no track icons, no MIDI event list, no Quick Grouping, no sysex storage, etc.) because they like its speed.
 

Bye for now.

 
You won't be missed.

If you want to blame Gibson you can blame them for poor management, buying companies without a solid business plan to bring them to profitability, or possibly lack of ability to execute on whatever plan they did have.
 
 

Anderton

CakeAlexSHere

michael diemer

For what it's worth, weird things were happening to my Reaper projects, toward the end, just like you had in Sonar. It would kick back to the beginning every time I copied something. Also there were other things, some of which cost me days to fix. 

Still, Reaper is a fine program. It may be that these problems only happen with long projects (over 5 minutes), but all my projects are long. I'm working faster now that I'm back in Sonar. Takeaway? All programs have bugs and weirdness. The hit or miss nature of some of them may be due to an unusual workflow, idiosyncratic ways of doing things that the developers did not anticipate. 

^^ These sort of statements are exactly what make Sonar what it is today... the DAW Sonar fans deserve, accepting everything coming to them.

 
Repeat after me: t-r-a-d-e-o-f-f.
 
Intelligent people - and trust me, you are not the only one on the planet - weigh pros and cons, and decide whether the pros outweigh the cons. Some people will accept bugs in a program if that program does exactly what they need in other respects.
 
It would be equally idiotic to say Studio One fans deserve the limitations of Studio One (no upsampling, no mix recall, no DSD import/export, no DX support, no staff view, no ripple editing, no track icons, no MIDI event list, no Quick Grouping, no sysex storage, etc.) because they like its speed.
 

Bye for now.

 
You won't be missed.

Mr. Anderton, you are absolutely one of the best columnists on this forum. I really enjoy comments like above, respect! You have not only musical savvy, but you also understand a lot of life and people.
 

The more time I spend on other DAW's the more I realize that whatever its faults may have been, Sonar was well ahead of the pack in many ways. I used to think Sonar needed work on its meter systems and never could figure out why they never changed anything. I've come to realize that Sonar has more tweaks for its meters than all the other DAW's combined. No wonder my feature requests were never answered.

michael diemer
For what it's worth, weird things were happening to my Reaper projects, toward the end, just like you had in Sonar. It would kick back to the beginning every time I copied something. Also there were other things, some of which cost me days to fix. 

Still, Reaper is a fine program. It may be that these problems only happen with long projects (over 5 minutes), but all my projects are long. I'm working faster now that I'm back in Sonar. Takeaway? All programs have bugs and weirdness. The hit or miss nature of some of them may be due to an unusual workflow, idiosyncratic ways of doing things that the developers did not anticipate. 

CakeAlexSHere
^^ These sort of statements are exactly what make Sonar what it is today... the DAW Sonar fans deserve, accepting everything coming to them.

 

Anderton
Repeat after me: t-r-a-d-e-o-f-f.
 
Intelligent people - and trust me, you are not the only one on the planet - weigh pros and cons, and decide whether the pros outweigh the cons. Some people will accept bugs in a program if that program does exactly what they need in other respects.
 
It would be equally idiotic to say Studio One fans deserve the limitations of Studio One (no upsampling, no mix recall, no DSD import/export, no DX support, no staff view, no ripple editing, no track icons, no MIDI event list, no Quick Grouping, no sysex storage, etc.) because they like its speed.

 
 

Bye for now.
 

 

Anderton
You won't be missed.

 
I'm back as I've just been Andertoned once again.
 
Everybody can clearly see he edited my quote about bugs, and twisted it to compare it with "features" or "speed". He concludes with usual massive generalisation that bugs are acceptable because "trade off". Here's the stuff he edited so he could bring it out of context to make his point.
 

CakeAlexSHere
I have Studio One now and luckly I don't have to worry much about these sort of bugs any more. If they do happen (because as many say over and over again like a parrot in these forums that all software has bugs in a bid to make it acceptable over and over and over again for years and years like repeating passages from religious texts) I have no doubt whatsoever the bugs will be fixed in S1 far faster than when Sonar was in development. Regardless no bugs will be fixed in Sonar now as it's not in development. Bye for now.

 
He will then wait for the fan base to come in and back him up and tell him how great and right he is (as has already happened), and then wait for others to say how terrible the person who is disagreeing with him. Observe none of these sort people will be interested in any topic discussion... Just Craig good.. everybody who disagrees bad... He knows this happens only too well, it's these sort of standard tactics he employed for years that was partly responsible for running down Cakewalk imho. Anybody who disagreed with him he called a troll starting a witch hunt where he would start deleting peoples posts and banning people because they did not agree with him. Those who agreed with him or said nasty comments to those he disagreed with were left alone to edit quotes to make it look like something else, and shout insults at the proclaimed troll. People got put off, moved to other DAWs or just never adopted Sonar, and people here just got older and older.
 
Craig pretty much ALWAYS turned up here whenever ANY CRITICISM happened, with the purpose to stamp it out and bury it, and thus the status quo remained year after year as he beat up people with something to say into the ground whilst his followers worshipped him. Now he's here to pretend he was just a mere end user again and wash his hands of any responsibility. You worked for GIBSON Criag man up and take some responsibility.
 
Back to topic then... Actually NO Craig, no trade off - I do not want buggy projects that stop working AT ALL. That does not happen with Studio ONE - No amount of "shiny" features will make me think any different. I want my DAW to be as solid as a rock as do a lot of people.... that's another reason why me and a lot of people have moved on, and right now I do have a DAW that is just that, I just hope you don't come in and mess it all up another place that's surviving quite happily without your greatness.
 
Bye again for the moment... and I certainly won't miss you Craig. Unlike you I don't care either way if I'm missed or not, it's NOT all about me... I'm not a self publicist and I've got nothing to peddle. That's it I've said it now, I tried to avoid it as it probably won't do any good, but it feels good to get it off my chest. Anyway here now follows the usual messages of love to me from your fansbase as per usual right?? :)
 
That's my angry finished with, back to my DAW.

ampfixer
The more time I spend on other DAW's the more I realize that whatever its faults may have been, Sonar was well ahead of the pack in many ways.

That's my experience too. I just recently (after the announcement) tried Studio One, Cubase, Digital Performer, Ableton, and Reaper. Some were pretty darn nice but just not 'as' nice as Sonar and some I was able to cross off the list almost immediately for glaring deficiencies. For me the ability to handle external midi equipment well is mandatory and that is a common deficiency in many of the newer DAWS - probably because newer buyers don't use external midi equipment very much.
 
Probably the biggest advantage that Sonar has to the other DAWs for me is that its user interface is just, well, great. The Control Bar (I think that's the right name) is just brilliant. That is not the only part that is brilliant, but it makes accessing all the commonly used features of the program so easy even when screen real estate is limited. The UI also looks polished - like you would expect Apple products to look. Some of the other DAWs I tried looked like toys in comparison. As Apple knows, looks do matter. For them it is form over function. Sonar has both.
 
Whoever did the UI development I tilt my hat to. Great work whoever you are.

Kamm Schreiner
Whoever did the UI development I tilt my hat to. Great work whoever you are.

^^ That I totally agree with BTW.

Kamm Schreiner

ampfixer
The more time I spend on other DAW's the more I realize that whatever its faults may have been, Sonar was well ahead of the pack in many ways.

That's my experience too. I just recently (after the announcement) tried Studio One, Cubase, Digital Performer, Ableton, and Reaper. Some were pretty darn nice but just not 'as' nice as Sonar and some I was able to cross off the list almost immediately for glaring deficiencies.

Same here. for the way I work. Sonar fits my needs very well.
Im in the process of learning a new DAW but im still starting and currently working using Sonar
and I couldn't be happier. A lot has to do with familiarity but tasks just seem easier in Sonar than in other DAWs.

Well, do you know what REALLY boils my pish? 
 
After the NIGHTMARE of having to deal with the fact that Sonar frequently fails to save my Waves Q10 EQ settings with the project, I invested in Fabfilter's Pro-Q 2 on the basis that it would be the ideal replacement for my transparent/surgical EQ needs. 
 
Well g-g-g-g-guess what? SONAR IS FLATLINING ITS SETTINGS AS WELL. Yup, I'm opening projects to find Pro-Q's reset to the factory default instead of the tasty curves I'd spend hours perfecting the previous night. 
 
So let's review. First, my go-to was the Quadcurve EQ. I'd open projects to find it either flatlined or with random 16dB boosts in the same place on every instance in the project (also reported by others). So then I ditched it for the Waves Q10, a great EQ in my arsenal that I'd previously overlooked. Then Sonar started refusing to save its settings too. Replace it with a very expensive alternative only to find Sonar doing the same. 
 
Not that I feel like I wasted money on Pro-Q - it's an incredible plugin. I'll use it in my next DAW, which I'm presuming will include the revolutionary feature of actually being able to save my work properly. 
 
Sonar is a brick.