ORIGINAL: Lay In Wait

The point I am trying to make is that Behringer does not innovate.

Well then please, tell me who does.

Is the Behringer ADA8000 inovative ? I think it is since there are no other devices like it on the markert, at least not in that price range.

I love how the Behringer threads inevitably devolve into people with a tenuous grasp on economics arguing about market value. I have owned Behringer and Mackie stuff and had problems with both. I was a lot more disappointed when both Mackie mixers i had failed than when any of my Behr gear freaked out, due to the relative dollars invested.

what's this nonsense about corporate America? Behringer is a German company that has manufacturing plants in China. I have high respect for those who try to avoid buying products made by communist slaves but you would be hard pressed to find something in the same price range that isn't. Two or three more posts before somebody blames this on Dick Cheney and Halliburton...


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ADA8000 - Presonus Digimax

VAmp - Line 6 Pod

Truth Monitors - Mackie HR824

Xenyx mixers - Mackie Onyx

I'm not a Behringer lover or anything, infact, I don't own much of their stuff, but some of it is great for the money with only minimal tradeoff - take the bcf2000 for example - Great unit for a lot less money than the (little) competition. The Mackie is much nicer, but it's not going to change the quality of your mix and costs about 5 times as much...

Of the above mentioned manufacturers, which of them REALLY innovated anything? Could you not say they all ripped off companies that made great sounding desks/preamps/converters, etc? Like Neve or whomever, whose channel strips are even MORE rediculously expensive.

What about the fact that Line6 is ripping off all those amp companies that they create models of?

How many monitoring choices do you need to have in order to say Behringer is the only one who "ripped off" a design. I mean, for the most part, there is a variety of choices in the small monitor arena and MANY of them might as well be the same company. And as mentioned above, things like Tapco (by Mackie) proves that Mackie wants to compete in this same arena and put out an "inferior" brand in order to do so - and they are STILL more expensive!

Just a few thoughts.

Everyone keeps bringing up the money issue. My point about my stance is that this is not about money. It is about business practices and ethics that I disagree with. Can anyone offer an argument that does NOT have to do with the mighty dollar since it clearly rules everything (according to the posts I am seeing)

Looks like the gearslutz are talking about this one too. Here's a thread talking about some of the blatant ripoffs from B:

http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php?t=102412

The Boss/Roland one is especially interesting.

I love how the Behringer threads inevitable devolve into people with a tenuous grasp on economics arguing about market value.

No kidding!

It is about business practices and ethics that I disagree with.

Welcome to reality! Buisness practices and ethics will not be changing anytime soon, deal with it!

Now to get back on topic. If you need 8 more channels on the cheap BUY the Behringer ADA 8000.

ORIGINAL: Lay In Wait

It is about business practices and ethics that I disagree with.

Welcome to reality! Buisness practices and ethics will not be changing anytime soon, deal with it!

Now to get back on topic. If you need 8 more channels on the cheap BUY the Behringer ADA 8000.

Reality is that I will be dealing with it by voicing my opinion with my dollars. I'll also deal with it by encouraging others to do what is right instead of merely doing what is right for their wallet. BTW, all of my posts have been on topic since the title clearly states, "Behringer ADA8000- to buy or not to buy!!!" Clearly, my opinion is NO. On topic, right? I can agree to disagree with everyone since its apparent that my opinion is that of the minority, but if you keep quoting me, I will keep relpying since I'm more than happy to educate fellow consumers about B's sketchy practices.

This one especially:

"Welcome to reality! Buisness practices and ethics will not be changing anytime soon, deal with it! "

Are you Bill Gates himself? To me, that quote is the definition of the cliche, "Turning a Blind Eye". Ok, I'm getting off my soapbox now...

I have a Behringer SL-2442-FXPro mixer that I use for my band. It cost me $450 (which took me months to scrape up) and it works spectacularly. If someone would point out the 24 channel Mackie mixer in that price range, I'll sure buy it. To argue that money shouldn't be taken into account when talking about business practices is nonsensical: business practice (and good consumer choice) is all about money.

BTW, all of my posts have been on topic since the title clearly states, "Behringer ADA8000- to buy or not to buy!!!" Clearly, my opinion is NO. On topic, right?

I wasnt saying you were off topic, was just steering the thread as a whole back on track, rather than discussing the political ****. Sorry if you felt singled out.

This one especially:

"Welcome to reality! Buisness practices and ethics will not be changing anytime soon, deal with it! "

Are you Bill Gates himself? To me, that quote is the definition of the cliche, "Turning a Blind Eye". Ok, I'm getting off my soapbox now...

Well, unfortunatly they wont. If I could single handedly change that, I would. Thats just not gonna happen, hence reality. And yes I am Bill Gates, thank you for your money.