Pat is the shiza!!! I've seen both Pats play live a couple of times. But Metheny definitely has his own sound and his playing is superior no doubt. Love the phrasing!

Hi all,

I currently have several options, including an SM57 in front of a Fender Twin Reverb, a DI box, a Peavey Rockmaster, a Rocktron Gainiac I, and other FX boxes and techniques, and for the next option ...

my next piece of guitar electronics is going to be the Womanizer from these guys:

http://www.damagecontrolusa.com/productsmain.htm

The audio demos are convincing.

(Or a Fender Blues Junior. These both have their merits.)

BTW, I like that suggestion of using several mics and correcting phase delay by time-shifting in SONAR. Very clever. Hadn't thought of that. Brilliant, actually. Will definately ty it. I've used several mics before, but not with the time-shifting thing.

OHH! I like that idea!!

--thndrsn

Cut the bass frequencies. I find that soloed the guitar sounds great but you need to roll of the bass frequencies to get it to sit nicely in the mix. (Still learning this lesson, actually.)

ORIGINAL: jamvanman

Cut the bass frequencies. I find that soloed the guitar sounds great but you need to roll of the bass frequencies to get it to sit nicely in the mix. (Still learning this lesson, actually.)

Cut in what....What song are you talking about

I assume he means cut some bass from the guitar track in any song mix which has other instruments that generate in that range of frequencies. It's good general advice that may or may not apply in a given situation, but usually does to some degree, the more so the larger the mix.

--thndrsn

Thats too general, That does not go for every song. Sometimes you want that bass in your guitar. Sounds thick.. what im getting at, there are no rules and there should never be.
/what i do somtimes id record 2 guiatrs one from an amp and one from my Voxtonelab. the guitar frommy amp ihas alot of lmid to low end in it and the guitar from my vox tonelab has more of a low to high midrang. I record them on seperate track and bring the up, The sound makes me cream in my well nevermind that. I would not cut any lows frommy guitars, I will fit the bass in there some how. I will pan each guiat hard left and the other guitar hard right. The bass and the bass drum have the center of the song so show thru...

Im starting to talk jiberish right now, I get great results my ways so i dont like people telling to cut the lows. How many freqencies are in the low spectrun, Theres alot. If you cut the wrong one your doomed,..Poeple record crap into the pc thinking that sonar has some magic tools. It doesnt. The guitarist has the majic toolsYou should get your sound right before you press record .................

im on a rant, its time for me to go to bed


later,
CJ

Thats too general, That does not go for every song.

Yeah, okay, whatever. Let's quibble about it.

good general advice that may or may not apply

--thndrsn

P.S. You forgot the apostrophe.

I like Guitar Rig 2 some of my thoughts on how to make it sound better.

1. Know the basics
2. Record dry and monitor wet.
3. Thicken your tracks by cloning them.
4. Create your own presets and/or tweak the included presets.
5. Experiment by mixing with other good quality plugins you may have.

I use GR2 and am constantly blown away by it BUT not as it ships with the presets. it does seem really sensitive to picking strength, touch etc. more so than a real amp. If you take the time to explore it , it will give you results. plus I can get on a plane with a guitar and a laptop and take a full setup to sessions.

I haven't done any serious recording, so my opinion here probably doesn't count for much, but it's still fun to jump in..

I think that for me it would boil down to this :

You can't get the "feel" of a real amp turned up and moving air and you actually feeling the vibration in your hands and through your body. And that feel carries over into how I play and how the guitar reacts, sustains, etc. It would take a nice big powerful monitroing system to run an amp sim through to aproach that experience.

But recording a real amp with never give you the control over your tone that an amp sim does after the fact and in the mix of a recording.

So the best scenerio would be to use both as some have suggested some of the pros are now doing.

But for many of us, recording a real amp cranked up at home is not always possible or at least practicle. I have ended up with some guitar tracks going direct with my old Yamaha DG Stomp (digital modeler) that I was very happy with. And I expect to get even better results with the Guitar Combos package I just bought (and have still not found time to install and play with!!!).