harpman58
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How do you order your PC plugins?
Was curious how other users order (route) their PC plug-ins. For example, I put the EQ at the top, followed by compression (i.e. Concrete Limiter) and last, but Console Emulator. Pretty much the same for the channel and bus with the exception of a Console Emulator Bus versus Channel. I have to say that SONAR Platinum is very snappy and I like it so far.
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/03 22:47:26
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That's a great question! Looking forward to responses on this. In my scenario, I almost always have at least one FX Chain module in my ProChannel. That's because I use the ProChannel for my entire FX signal flow and I don't use the regular FX bin. I do a lot of different things. One thing I experiment with that I read from Craig Anderton was the idea of EQing before going into a compressor, and then having another EQ later in the signal chain to do more adjustments. Which is a contributing reason I use the FX Chain module. Even when I use the Quad Curve EQ in the ProChannel it's likely I will use another EQ somewhere else in the signal flow (if I'm really working on a particular track to get it right).
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/03 23:46:28
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Why wouldn't the limiter be last?
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 03:17:25
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You can really do both but it's more common to EQ after compression. The idea being that a compressor brings up the quieter part of the sound so you're essentially undoing some of your EQing. Personally I like to at least High Pass before compression so you'd need two EQs. Unfortunately you can't use two Quad Curve EQs. But as was mentioned, you can create an FX chain to add another EQ.
There really are not many fixed rules otherwise. I suppose I would put console emulation last (which it is by default) and tape emulation right before it. But if you know what each effect does, a case can be made for pretty much any order.
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 04:20:36
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I normally filter the signal before going into a compressor, usually the Sonitus EQ, then use the Quad Curve after EQ for tonal shaping. This way the compressor is only reacting to a narrower range of frequencies and will not trigger due to excessive low frequencies - unless that's what I want of course in which case I'll do all my EQ after compressing.
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 09:40:08
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Sanderxpander You can really do both but it's more common to EQ after compression.
I guess I was thinking of the limiter more for protection than for compression. If you don't have a limiter last, aren't you concerned about some transients clipping?
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 10:29:08
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I have a rack channel strip back in the UK, that engages a 300hz high pass filter on the input triggering the compressor (so the side chain, but there is no external side chain option, it''s internal). It's designed for vocal processing, and cause the compressor to not respond to the bottom end of the voice. I wonder if this would be a good a solution. Take the input and split it for the sidechain, and apply the EQ to this. So you are not having to cut bass frequencies as such before the compressor, but lessen their effect. Then EQ after
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 11:29:17
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Bristol_Jonesey I normally filter the signal before going into a compressor, usually the Sonitus EQ, then use the Quad Curve after EQ for tonal shaping. This way the compressor is only reacting to a narrower range of frequencies and will not trigger due to excessive low frequencies - unless that's what I want of course in which case I'll do all my EQ after compressing.
I do something very similar. I use FabFilter Pro-Q 2 EQ before I compress (using iZotope Dynamics). To set up the EQ, I use their feature that let's you listen to sound that is being filtered out, first on a low cut, and then for the high cut to insure that only the sound you want to pass is not filtered, just any spurious stuff that doesn't add anything. The low/high cuts are set up for 96db/octave so it's like a brick wall. Then after the iZotope Dynamics, I use another FabFilter Pro-Q 2 to perform tonal shaping. Finally using iZotope Insight to monitor peak/rms levels and Loudness Units I use the Concrete Limiter in combination with the Dynamics to get the correct levels (plus sounding good). I also add any effect plug-ins suitable for the sound being processed. Walt
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 11:47:32
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I always put the Console Emulator at the top, whether channel or bus.
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 12:01:07
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The standard method is comp followed by EQ. One of the tricks from the old analog days and later is doing some of your shaping as you record - usually compression. If I know who I'm recording I usually do this since I know what I do to them for mixing. One of the EQs I do use going in is the low filter. My RND channel strip has a low pass. On vocals I up to the max - 100 Hz. Esp. with females, there ain't nothing going on down there but noise and thumps. And here at home I only have one LDC so I up the high shelf (+3 dB or so above 8-9 KHz for air) and use the built-in de-esser since I've had problems w/ sibilance build-up when using compression. Guitars, the Low cut is set lower, maybe 50 Hz so I don't gut any meat. Compression almost always, but just 1.5 dB to 2, just enough to firm up the sound and hold down any peaks. The recording looks a lot more manageable and guess what? It is during mixing. But this is for people and equipment I know. If it is something/body new I back off all these settings a bit. Having a controlled capture really helps the mixing. Then it is a little more compression - for instruments the PC 1176, bass and vox the CA-2A. The PC EQ is most often used for a little shaping, or for vox the softube focusing EQ. I'll usually have a guitar, drum and backing vox buss w/ the PC SSL buss comp on it. The more I use that one the more I think it is the best comp of the PC bunch, and maybe of all soft comps I've tried. It is specialized, but knocks the sonic ball out of the park if set right. Two leadish guitars panned opposite channels of the buss, slap that comp on and it sounds like a record if everything else is right. Beggar's Banquet here we come. As far as I can tell the Console Emulator and saturation effects and all that stuff helps if you don't use transformers during capture. That is what it is emulating, and a lot of superb electronics. I have that when I capture, so I don't use it much. I did have a ZZ Top type song I recorded for a friend and used the console Emulator on everything - for some reason the song sounded too "clean" for me and the CE did the job during mixing. And I've used it on a few other tracks but it just seems to cloud up my sound. I think if I didn't have all transformer inputs I would use it more, but as it is I find it more of a red-headed step child. @
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 14:11:00
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Bristol_Jonesey I normally filter the signal before going into a compressor... This way the compressor is only reacting to a narrower range of frequencies and will not trigger due to excessive low frequencies - unless that's what I want...
I completely agree. You don't want the compressor to be responding to frequencies that will eventually get removed. Applying EQ reduces the overall signal level anyway, assuming that you are not boosting any frequencies.
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 15:55:31
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Great post AT
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 16:42:49
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Bristol_Jonesey I normally filter the signal before going into a compressor... This way the compressor is only reacting to a narrower range of frequencies and will not trigger due to excessive low frequencies - unless that's what I want...
I completely agree. You don't want the compressor to be responding to frequencies that will eventually get removed. Applying EQ reduces the overall signal level anyway, assuming that you are not boosting any frequencies.
A significant low cut can actually increase peaks. I do the same thing though, basic filtering before compression and any real coloring afterwards. It's all good when you understand the processes that are going on.
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 17:47:31
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vanceen I always put the Console Emulator at the top, whether channel or bus.
I always put the coffee mug on top because I need quick access to it at all times ... Apart from that I fully agree with AT ... some real analog on the way into the DAW (often) does magic and requires fewer knobs to be twisted at mix-down ...
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Re: How do you order your PC plugins?
2015/02/04 18:52:52
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Other than putting console and/or tape emulation last on tracks and busses if I'm going to use those plugins, and a track eq (generally) post compression, what I use and the order I use it in depends on what's on the track and what I'm looking for from it.
High/low bandpassing when used (e.g. guitars, bass sometimes synth patches) I generally put first. Maybe the sonnitus eq for that job or one of the others Sonar provides or third party. Like compressors, the currently available choice of eqs, even just the ones that come with Sonar, can get bewildering. One of the great things about DAWs is we can set up as many instances of a plugin as we want until the computer grinds to a halt. The downside of all that flexibility is the sheer number of available possibilities is mind-boggling.
I generally have a bus acting as an "all purpose 100% wet default room reverb" to point track and buss sends at, again followed by eq then CE and tape emulator if used. I may also place reverbs on tracks and other busses, especially spring and plate 'verbs used for effect.
The master channel when mixing might get CE and tape, but I usually don't add eq or compression/limiting to the master bus until I'm at the mastering/project bounce-down stage. The idea being that the mixdown should result in something close enough to finished that the final tweaks are just that, not major sculpting.
I drop spectrum analysers in wherever I want to see what's going on.
Other than that I build fx processing up out of what I hope will give me what I'm after. A phaser followed by distortion, for example, is quite different to distortion followed by phasing. In general though I guess I usually follow guitar pedal routing - compression before or after filtering, distortion the same then modulation followed by tremolo, delay, reverb.
Unless I'm building a modulated or multi-tap delay, when things can get quite complicated...
I also tend to prefer resonant filter, distortion and modulation fx created by analogue hardware to digital emulation so the raw signal might well be processed before it even reaches the DAW at all.
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