gbowling
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melodyne question
I'm interested in getting Melodyne Studio 4. The upgrade from melodyne essential 4, which I have from SPLAT, is $649. However there are still places, including ebay, where I can buy version 2 editor for $349 and there is a special upgrade of $149 to go from V2 editor to Studio 4, so total price would be ~$500.
Is there any reason why I shouldn't do that to save another $150? Opinions welcome.
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 08:35:12
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No reason whatsoever...you might want to keep an eye on KVR for someone
selling Melodyne Editor...which usually sells for around $200 +/-
And then the upgrade would be less then $150....
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 09:15:03
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Many vendors don't allow you the upgrade discount when upgrading from a second-hand license, so you'll want to check out Celemony's policy on that before picking up V2 on eBay.
OTOH, you may find that V2 does everything you need and just stay there. V3 adds mostly bug fixes, not a lot of new features, and V4 has been widely criticized for not being enough of an advancement to warrant the upgrade prices.
That said, V3 is less quirky than V2. I used to have occasional synchronization issues with V2, forcing me to split clips to avoid crossing tempo changes. I still do that out of habit, so I can't say for sure whether or not it's still a problem.
I should also note that I rarely use Melodyne Editor at all these days, preferring the convenience of the plugin for the small amount of corrections that I do. I started out with multi-track Editor (Studio) at version 1 and because I never went beyond SONAR 8.5 didn't get the plugin until V3, so I went the opposite direction as you: from Editor to Essential, or whatever they call the single-track plugin. The plugin suits my needs 99% of the time.
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gbowling
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 09:55:05
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Good point bit, I'll check that out. I think there are stores that have the full unused version for $349 as well, but will check.
The reason I'm looking to upgrade to the studio version 4 is for multitrack drum editing. That's been a time consuming issue with audiosnap for much of what I do. I've tried the demo of studio 4 and think it does a lot better for this than AS.
The question of spending the money for me has been two fold. First, what is my time worth? as I can get what I need with AS it just takes me a bit longer due to adding/moving/editing transients. The second questions is when AS and/or multitrack drum editing will be improved/addressed in splat? I say "when" as I know it's been talked about a lot and I know it will eventually be addressed, it's just a matter of how long we have to wait.
Seems like these things tend to be a leap frog sort of exercise. Third party products provide better at doing "x" for a while, then sonar comes out with something that trumps the 3rd party tool rendering it useless. Then 3rd party tools improve, then sonar, etc. etc. So maybe spending money at this time on a 3rd party product is just chasing my tail, possibly better to just be patient.
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 11:37:10
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My comments were specifically regarding vocal editing. Drum editing is one thing I've never done with Melodyne.
I guess I've been lucky so far - all my drum editing has been limited to a few tweaks here and there, for which splitting and moving clips is sufficient, resorting to AudioSnap only when needed. I happen to like AudioSnap, but I only use it for manual editing rather than automated quantization. Then again, I also like a little human sloppiness, too.
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gbowling
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 12:11:33
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Yea, we now have the unfortunate situation of recording with everyone scattered across the US. So we send parts back and forth, adding and replacing parts. We've found that it's a lot better if things are aligned to the grid. When we do get together once in a while and lay down tracks, we too like to have a little human sloppiness, but we can be "sloppy together" if there is interaction between the players. That doesn't work so well when you're just playing with the other parts. As a side note, I find it very interesting how the brain works with that stuff. We have songs from years past that were recorded without metronomes or grids. There is a lot of sloppiness in many of them but it doesn't really bother anyone, sans maybe some really good musicians who might pick up on it. Same goes when we get together now, we can record things where we're all together but it slips or gains a bit here and there with no problem. But if I take one of those tracks and align any piece of it to a grid, it gets all out of sorts. Basically, at least for us, you have to either leave it alone or align it all to the grid. Anything in between just plain doesn't work. gabo
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 12:20:05
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bitflipper
Many vendors don't allow you the upgrade discount when upgrading from a second-hand license, so you'll want to check out Celemony's policy on that before picking up V2 on eBay.
OTOH, you may find that V2 does everything you need and just stay there. V3 adds mostly bug fixes, not a lot of new features, and V4 has been widely criticized for not being enough of an advancement to warrant the upgrade prices.
That said, V3 is less quirky than V2. I used to have occasional synchronization issues with V2, forcing me to split clips to avoid crossing tempo changes. I still do that out of habit, so I can't say for sure whether or not it's still a problem.
I should also note that I rarely use Melodyne Editor at all these days, preferring the convenience of the plugin for the small amount of corrections that I do. I started out with multi-track Editor (Studio) at version 1 and because I never went beyond SONAR 8.5 didn't get the plugin until V3, so I went the opposite direction as you: from Editor to Essential, or whatever they call the single-track plugin. The plugin suits my needs 99% of the time.
I'm confused...there was no V3....there was V1, V2, and then V4...
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 12:31:37
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bitflipper
Then again, I also like a little human sloppiness, too.
Maybe we could come up with a word for this human element that makes music awesome. Soul? Just an idea. Btw, v3 was a free hot fix. It wasn't sold separately from v2, but it was a code branch.
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 12:55:39
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/02/08 13:42:28
I think V3 was Studio only, the other variants skipped the V3 label. Which was/is very confusing. Sound On Sound has a very long review that kind of explains this crazy release history, it may be available online as well.
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 13:43:00
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Yes...Studio only...
There was no V3 for Essential, Assistant, or Editor....
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/08 14:26:57
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gbowling
...But if I take one of those tracks and align any piece of it to a grid, it gets all out of sorts. Basically, at least for us, you have to either leave it alone or align it all to the grid. Anything in between just plain doesn't work.
gabo
Personally, in those cases I prefer to align the grid to the recorded audio instead, making new parts easier to match up while still leaving the "feel" of the original. That's one thing that Melodyne 4 does very well - tempo mapping.
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gbowling
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Re: melodyne question
2016/02/19 09:21:11
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An update to this. I did purchase Melo Editor for the lower price and was successful at upgrading it to studio. So total cost for studio wound up being $498, $349 for editor and $149 for the upgrade to studio.
So if anyone else is interested in saving a bit to get from Essential to Studio, I would recommend this path.
gabo
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